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		By: Phil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2017 02:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Big meeting this week at City Hall on the Parks and Rec office site. 

Why not just leave it RP2 and sell the land to a developer to sell lots for nice homes. 20 lots at 50k each could pay for the wall.

Win-win]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big meeting this week at City Hall on the Parks and Rec office site. </p>
<p>Why not just leave it RP2 and sell the land to a developer to sell lots for nice homes. 20 lots at 50k each could pay for the wall.</p>
<p>Win-win</p>
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		By: Ned		</title>
		<link>https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-108093</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107793&quot;&gt;Jon&lt;/a&gt;.

I live in the Myers Park neighborhood and I love the park and events. Cascades and all of its amenities is one of my favorite things about the neighborhood. Should I complain about the noisy trains, FAMU marching 100 practicing at 2:00 am, or FSU shooting off fireworks after a game? I could, but why would I?  Noise is part of living in an active city/urban core where you and I have chosen to live. You should expect growth and change to continue as our community becomes more vibrant. I don&#039;t know about you but cascades has had a positive impact on my property values.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107793">Jon</a>.</p>
<p>I live in the Myers Park neighborhood and I love the park and events. Cascades and all of its amenities is one of my favorite things about the neighborhood. Should I complain about the noisy trains, FAMU marching 100 practicing at 2:00 am, or FSU shooting off fireworks after a game? I could, but why would I?  Noise is part of living in an active city/urban core where you and I have chosen to live. You should expect growth and change to continue as our community becomes more vibrant. I don&#8217;t know about you but cascades has had a positive impact on my property values.</p>
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		By: Kerri McGuire		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kerri McGuire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2016 22:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[File a public records request for the phone records of the department or individual in the time span you are wondering about. The Sunshine manual explains that this is not optional.

They are performing a meeting with a public official and accordingly, while a transcript is not required, they cannot refuse to disclose who they spoke to, or the general content of that conversation. 


&quot;Thus, in Bill of Rights, Inc. v. City of New Smyrna Beach, No. 2009-20218-CINS (Fla. 7th Cir. Ct. April 8, 2010), the court concluded that billing documents regarding personal calls made and received by city employees on city-owned or city-leased cellular telephones are public records, when those documents are received and maintained in connection with the transaction of official business; “and, the ‘official business’ of a city includes paying for telephone service and obtaining reimbursement from employees for personal calls.” See also AGO 77-141 (copies of letters or other documents received by the mayor in his official capacity constitute records received “in connection with the transaction of official business” and therefore are public records). Compare Inf. Op. to Burke, April 14, 2010 (while the licensing board, and not Attorney General’s Office, must determine whether a letter, allegedly sent to the board by mistake, had been received by the board in connection with the transaction of official business, the board “may wish to consider whether circumstances characterize how the document was received, such as does the letter relate to a past, existing, or potential investigation by the board”).&quot;


They may also have to disclose the summary content of the meeting:

&quot;The term “minutes” as used in s. 286.011, F.S., contemplates a brief summary or series of brief notes or memoranda reflecting the events of the meeting; accordingly a verbatim transcript is not required. AGO 82-47. And see State v. Adams, No. 91-175-CC (Fla. Sumter Co. Ct. July 15, 1992) (no violation of Sunshine Law where minutes failed to reflect brief discussion concerning a proposed inspection trip). Cf. s. 20.052(5)(c), F.S., requiring that minutes, including a record of all votes cast, be maintained for all meetings of an advisory body, commission, board of trustees, or other collegial body adjunct to an executive agency.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>File a public records request for the phone records of the department or individual in the time span you are wondering about. The Sunshine manual explains that this is not optional.</p>
<p>They are performing a meeting with a public official and accordingly, while a transcript is not required, they cannot refuse to disclose who they spoke to, or the general content of that conversation. </p>
<p>&#8220;Thus, in Bill of Rights, Inc. v. City of New Smyrna Beach, No. 2009-20218-CINS (Fla. 7th Cir. Ct. April 8, 2010), the court concluded that billing documents regarding personal calls made and received by city employees on city-owned or city-leased cellular telephones are public records, when those documents are received and maintained in connection with the transaction of official business; “and, the ‘official business’ of a city includes paying for telephone service and obtaining reimbursement from employees for personal calls.” See also AGO 77-141 (copies of letters or other documents received by the mayor in his official capacity constitute records received “in connection with the transaction of official business” and therefore are public records). Compare Inf. Op. to Burke, April 14, 2010 (while the licensing board, and not Attorney General’s Office, must determine whether a letter, allegedly sent to the board by mistake, had been received by the board in connection with the transaction of official business, the board “may wish to consider whether circumstances characterize how the document was received, such as does the letter relate to a past, existing, or potential investigation by the board”).&#8221;</p>
<p>They may also have to disclose the summary content of the meeting:</p>
<p>&#8220;The term “minutes” as used in s. 286.011, F.S., contemplates a brief summary or series of brief notes or memoranda reflecting the events of the meeting; accordingly a verbatim transcript is not required. AGO 82-47. And see State v. Adams, No. 91-175-CC (Fla. Sumter Co. Ct. July 15, 1992) (no violation of Sunshine Law where minutes failed to reflect brief discussion concerning a proposed inspection trip). Cf. s. 20.052(5)(c), F.S., requiring that minutes, including a record of all votes cast, be maintained for all meetings of an advisory body, commission, board of trustees, or other collegial body adjunct to an executive agency.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Jon		</title>
		<link>https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107794</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2016 18:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107762&quot;&gt;DavidB&lt;/a&gt;.

Im guessing condos for govt officials who are never here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107762">DavidB</a>.</p>
<p>Im guessing condos for govt officials who are never here.</p>
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		By: Jon		</title>
		<link>https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107793</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2016 18:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107743&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

Well you can always move to somewhere you like. Why should people have to move out to get away from something someone else put there that they never wanted? Thats what going to happen here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107743">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>Well you can always move to somewhere you like. Why should people have to move out to get away from something someone else put there that they never wanted? Thats what going to happen here.</p>
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		By: DavidB		</title>
		<link>https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107762</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavidB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2016 18:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These &quot;developers&quot; will doubtless be the same ones behind the Edison, and want to put Gadsden St. style &quot;residential structures&quot; with apartments full of students over strip mall style business to include restaurants, head shops, and bars.

A Gillum &#038; Assoc. wet dream.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These &#8220;developers&#8221; will doubtless be the same ones behind the Edison, and want to put Gadsden St. style &#8220;residential structures&#8221; with apartments full of students over strip mall style business to include restaurants, head shops, and bars.</p>
<p>A Gillum &amp; Assoc. wet dream.</p>
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		By: daisyduck		</title>
		<link>https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107758</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daisyduck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2016 16:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107743&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for being a voice of reason.  The wall was awful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107743">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for being a voice of reason.  The wall was awful.</p>
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		By: Franklin Thompson		</title>
		<link>https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107756</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Franklin Thompson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2016 13:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107750&quot;&gt;Ethics Hound&lt;/a&gt;.

I live on the outskirts of the &#039;Lafayette Park&#039; area and I remember the meeting when Wayne Tedder all but tried to assist a small group that wanted this area to be placed on the National Historical Register. It was beaten down and has since &#039;died on the vine&#039;... for now. Myers Park area residents need to do the same thing. Beat up on these planners until they cannot get up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107750">Ethics Hound</a>.</p>
<p>I live on the outskirts of the &#8216;Lafayette Park&#8217; area and I remember the meeting when Wayne Tedder all but tried to assist a small group that wanted this area to be placed on the National Historical Register. It was beaten down and has since &#8216;died on the vine&#8217;&#8230; for now. Myers Park area residents need to do the same thing. Beat up on these planners until they cannot get up.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
		<link>https://tallahasseereports.com/2016/10/30/undisclosed-developers-influenced-myers-park-development-vote/#comment-107755</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2016 13:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1. City says they&#039;re having a meeting on Oct. 26-16.  One meeting agenda item is listed as discussion regarding building a wall to block noise from Cascades Park concerts.

2.  City pivots inexplicably from the publicly stated agenda item subject and discusses selling property to unknown developers who will build a &quot;sound-blocking set of dwellings&quot; to paraphrase their reasoning.   

3.  When asked to name the unknown developers, Asst. City Manager Wayne Tedder cites &quot;privacy concerns&quot; of the developers and declines to identify them.

4.  Prediction: In a few months or weeks, with no clear disclosure of any possible relationships with city officials, a brief, quiet announcement will be rapidly followed by ground-breaking on the new development.  Once constructed, the involved parties will reap the benefits of the development, in whatever form you wish to speculate.

5.  Another suspect pay-for-play project completed by the city.  Next agenda item, please.

If the city has absolutely no relationship or involvement with the unknown developers, they can easily prove that with very little effort.   Let&#039;s see if they proactively do so on their own, or if legal levers are required to wring transparency from them, as is so often the case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. City says they&#8217;re having a meeting on Oct. 26-16.  One meeting agenda item is listed as discussion regarding building a wall to block noise from Cascades Park concerts.</p>
<p>2.  City pivots inexplicably from the publicly stated agenda item subject and discusses selling property to unknown developers who will build a &#8220;sound-blocking set of dwellings&#8221; to paraphrase their reasoning.   </p>
<p>3.  When asked to name the unknown developers, Asst. City Manager Wayne Tedder cites &#8220;privacy concerns&#8221; of the developers and declines to identify them.</p>
<p>4.  Prediction: In a few months or weeks, with no clear disclosure of any possible relationships with city officials, a brief, quiet announcement will be rapidly followed by ground-breaking on the new development.  Once constructed, the involved parties will reap the benefits of the development, in whatever form you wish to speculate.</p>
<p>5.  Another suspect pay-for-play project completed by the city.  Next agenda item, please.</p>
<p>If the city has absolutely no relationship or involvement with the unknown developers, they can easily prove that with very little effort.   Let&#8217;s see if they proactively do so on their own, or if legal levers are required to wring transparency from them, as is so often the case.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2016 01:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[also. the star trek bridge wasn&#039;t needed.  The cascades trail could have come up Adams St to Bloxham and gone under Monroe St a block or two north, and entered right into the western part of the park. A few 100k instead of 7.5M]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also. the star trek bridge wasn&#8217;t needed.  The cascades trail could have come up Adams St to Bloxham and gone under Monroe St a block or two north, and entered right into the western part of the park. A few 100k instead of 7.5M</p>
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