Does it ever get tiring being the smartest guy in the room?

Thank god you post here. I would not be able to see all of these well founded and reasonable theories for myself.

Whither the republic if not for you?

Dude. Don’t feed the children. It is starting to get as fruitful as explaining how a cellular telephone works to an ant colony.

Let them spin their wheels. As one adult to another, loved this post.

They think that being a contrarian for contrarianism’s sake is what the Founding Fathers did, and would applaud.

They can’t even bother to expend any effort. His appeal to authority for you was HEY cHeCK thIs Twitter ouT BrO!

Irony completely lost. Oh then he provided you summary materials. Which, like the news, is someone reading something for you, doing the work of analysis for you, and providing their summary on it.

So… prepare to stand in long lines to get your cure that may or may not work, at $2000.00 a dose. Oh, and also prepare for your insurance rates to skyrocket.

… carry on

@James –

You offered one twitter feed (lol), and the first five things I looked on it were a total joke. Why should I think that there is something reliable deeper down? I mean, just within the first five, there was one analysis showing an effect only if given within two days of *exposure*, and another that shows effect within 5 days of *diagnosis*. Those are wildly different timeframes.

I look at that and say, ‘poor data and / or poor analysis and / or total noise’. You seem to be able to look at two very different results from a temporal perspective and say, ‘it works’. What has convinced you it isn’t statistical noise?

What is the presumed mechanism by which HCQ exerts anti viral effects? Why is it better than other available antivirals? Because a twitter feed say so?

Now you offer a political website. I will note, that link makes no mention of the fact that it needs to be co-administered with zinc, or zpacks, or whatever. Oh well. They also *failed* to note that the studies they so adamantly insist show effect (which they won’t list!) are open and fail to account for other treatment modalities.

I mean, your Real Clear Politics link can’t even get their story straight within the same dame page! From the page you linked:

“At the same time, accumulating data showed remarkable results if hydroxychloroquine were given to patients early, during a seven-day window from the time of first symptom onset. If given during this window, most infections did not progress into the severe, lethal second stage of the disease.” [It should be noted that fatal disease progression seems to be immune mediated, and not the virus per se. Which is why steroids are working]

and

“Two recent, large, early-use clinical trials have been conducted by the Henry Ford Health System and at Mount Sinai showing a 51% and 47% lower mortality, respectively, in hospitalized patients given hydroxychloroquine”

See that! First, they claim it only works when given early. But then, later, *in the same damn article*, they want to jump up and down about lower mortality in people who were already hospitalized!!! (Patients who were getting steroids!) [Not to mention that in Henry Ford; they studied HCQ for patients who were also getting steroids; that isn’t how you test the efficacy of a drug! ]

If you want to go around calling people propagandists, what does it say to you that the link you provided cannot seem to figure out if HCQ works only if given early, or also works as they’d like you to think for the Henry Ford studies, when people were already hospitalized. It can’t be both!

And, of course, another twitter feed from a hack. Who cares?

Look, it is easy to show results in non-controlled studies. What is difficult is showing results in controlled studies, studies where you take effort to make sure that what you saw in open, observational studies, is not the result of bias, confounding inputs, or random chance. When we take those careful steps with HCQ, nothing comes out the other end but white noise.

> You anti-HCQ propagandists are responsible for thousands of unnecessary deaths, especially of African-Americans, whose lives you claim to defend.

It is so good to know that you have African Americans in your heart, James. I’m sure they appreciate that.

Not a physician, however, I don’t think the Henry Ford Study (https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext) can be totally dismissed out of hand, however, yes, it was an observational study and did not have the rigors of a randomized trial. I suspect that the TMH doctors are utilizing hydroxychloroquine, when appropriate, (along with with other drugs and therapies) as just one of the tools in their tool box.

I do agree that there is no evidence to suggest that hydroxychloroquine provides any sort of preventative or prophylactic effect (no matter how many times a person types on the internet that it does). https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2020388

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/ivermectin-treatment-is-a-real-killer-of-coronavirus/video/8443d3da6b1e291457fbe16d0d1b613f

Watch this video from Australia. Then demand that Ivermectin + Zinc + Doxycycline be available as a treatment for anyone who wants it as a treatment for Covid-19.

Let’s save our city from the mess that the authorities of both political parties have made of the epidemic.

Herald Sun – Ivermectin treatment is a ‘real killer of coronavirus’

https://hcqtrial.com/

If you are not going to search through the various twitter feeds that I offered you AND then go to the linked online medical publications AND carefully read them, then try this summary material.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/08/04/an_effective_covid_treatment_the_media_continues_to_besmirch_143875.html

And look at the evidence for both HCQ efficacy, and the Big Pharma/MSM effort to suppress HCQ use, that is on James Todaro’s twitter feed and his Medicine Uncensored website. Todaro unmasked a completely fraudulent anti-HCQ publication in The Lancet and caused it to be retracted.

https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

https://www.medicineuncensored.com/

You anti-HCQ propagandists are responsible for thousands of unnecessary deaths, especially of African-Americans, whose lives you claim to defend. Hypocrites of the worst sort is what you are.