November 27: Tracking Florida COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Fatalities

November 27: Tracking Florida COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and  Fatalities

NOTE 11/27: There was nor report for FDOH on 11/26.

NOTE 10/11: There was no DOH COVID daily report on 10/10. Therefore, the 10/11 daily number for cases and deaths will include two days. The current hospitalization numbers and the seven day average numbers will not be impacted.

NOTE 9/1: DeSantis was informed late Monday that nearly 75,000 results of Quest testing data dating as far back as April would be ingested into the state’s COVID-19 data for Tuesday’s update. Source: Orlando Sentinel.

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Positive Cases

The chart below tracks the daily positive cases and provides a 7-day average trend line based on cases reported by the Florida Department of Health (DOH) through November 27th.

Hospitalizations

The chart below tracks the daily hospitalizations and provides a 7-day average trend line based on cases reported by the Florida Department of Health (DOH) through November 27th.

Deaths

The chart below tracks the daily reported deaths and provides a 7-day average trend line based on cases reported by the Florida Department of Health (DOH) through November 27th.

1,233 Responses to "November 27: Tracking Florida COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Fatalities"

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    Tania Perez   November 24, 2020 at 1:55 pm

    People educate yourself! Do you really think the government is so trustworthy? Anyone familiar with lawsuit lost by the CDC around the end of February
    Not one single study in over 10 something years saying they were tested for safety and not ONE study to prove there is not a link and autism when given too early in life. Read up on the ingredients read up on what happens when that foreign RNA attaches to your DNA

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      tf   November 25, 2020 at 10:32 am

      Vaccines are far safer than getting sick from the viruses for which they protect you.

      Please get your information from reliable sources, not web pages that generate thousands of dollars of add and sales revenue for quack remedies.

      https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/history/index.html
      https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

      The original study that demonstrated a link between vaccines and autism was completely fraudulent: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2831678/

      If you don’t know someone who has complications from a childhood disease, thank vaccines!

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      Tom D.   November 26, 2020 at 8:28 am

      You are misinformed on how RNA vaccines work. They do not “attach” to your DNA at all. The DNA is found in the nucleus of the cell. The RNA strands injected in these new vaccines never make it to the nucleus. They attach to the cell, insert the RNA to the cytoplasm where the ribosomes are located to manufacture the proteins that your immune system will develop a response to. By the way, this is the EXACT mechanism the virus itself uses to invade your body. It “hijacks” your cell’s own machinery to replicate itself. This vaccine works in the same way, but only produces a part of the virus that is not harmful. Autoimmune concerns with these type of RNA based pharmaceuticals are with protocols that call for multiple injections over and over to correct genetic disorders. This would be unlikely with a vaccine against a virus in that it only calls for two doses to elicit an immune response. These RNA vaccines are a major breakthrough that will change medicine going forward.

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    CharlieMac   November 22, 2020 at 4:59 pm

    Sweden banned outdoor group gatherings of more than 8, not indoor.
    Sweden is 20th in deaths (616) per million of population in a ranking dated Nov 20, 2020. The US is 14th with 766 per million.
    Sweden trusted their citizens to act as adults and did not cause the loss of millions of jobs for the poorest of their population. The politicians on the advice of administrative healthcare researchers locked down the US and cost millions of workers and small businesses their jobs
    and livelihoods. This act increased a multitude of social issues while seem, given the above statistics, to have been ineffective in saving lives.
    Now we apparently have elected a very rich politician, who does not stand to lose a penny in another lockdown who proposes an even tighter lockdown in January!
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

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      TAL   November 23, 2020 at 4:20 pm

      Yes CharlieMac, all good points, but of course I’m not allowed to agree with you because we must all do what we’re told, otherwise we are just minions of the Trump way of thinking. It’s not like grown adults can do research and look at the data ourselves. Sweden only regrets not locking down their elderly and at-risk population earlier, but after months of everyone trying to shoot holes in their strategy, the critics really don’t have a leg to stand on. It’s extremely unfortunate that the Democrats who so desperately wanted to be in charge again were willing to do whatever it took, call it a “scorched earth” policy, to win the Presidency. This even meant putting people out of work, yes, even the ones who WANT to work, not their typical base. It got even worse towards the end when the vaccine was close to fruition, but they had to put out negative press about the vaccine during debates, campaign speeches, CNN interviews, etc, to the point where the people that really need it won’t even take it now.

      Obviously masks and lockdowns have worked so well, so why should we try something new like a vaccine with 90+% efficacy. Dems are already on record demanding that masks need to be worn until the end of 2021. These are the same morons who want the US to pay India and China billions of dollars to clean up their carbon emissions and defund the police. Brilliant

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        MJ   November 25, 2020 at 8:19 am

        Tal – Get off the political soapbox. After what has gone on with the election ‘fraud’ suggestions from the Trump administration to blame the other side for negative press on the vaccine looks ridiculous.

        To say ‘Obviously masks and lockdowns have worked so well, so why should we try something new like a vaccine with 90+% efficacy.’ is moronic in the extreme, masks are to get us to the vaccine while trying to have as few unnecessary deaths as possible.

        I am not a democrat but believe in democracy before you go off on that tack,

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    California   November 22, 2020 at 10:57 am

    How can an event like Cleetus and Cars be allowed to operate? Watch the videos of 21Nov20. No social distancing, no masks, just utter nonsense. If people are denying (like they did with global warming, and some still are) COVID isn’t real….Smh….Idk what to say to you other than….get your head out of your…

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    Tara   November 19, 2020 at 3:37 am

    Interesting…..apparently there was a lung cancer study in Italy with 959 volunteers from Sept. 2019 to March 2020. They tested the blood samples that were taken from each volunteer and 14% had coronavirus antibodies, suggesting it was Italy at least as early as September, perhaps even longer.

    https://112.international/politics/coronavirus-in-italy-arise-in-summer-of-2019-scientists-say-56511.html

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      Debi P   November 21, 2020 at 12:02 am

      Interesting…but it doesn’t make much sense on the face of it. How would it be that it was roaming around Italy but rarely, if ever, killing anyone, and once it “shows” in Wuhan it caused a huge outbreak.

      I wonder if they could have contaminated the samples at some point? I haven’t looked up the paper, but the article didn’t have much detail. Was it the samples they took back in September 2019 or ones from March 2020? Could the virus have been non-lethal but mutated to something more deadly and that’s when it “showed”? No idea. Hope they look into it further.

      This link below is not conclusive but goes into some more information:

      https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3110576/coronavirus-italian-paper-origins-pandemic-hit-backlash

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        Tara   November 21, 2020 at 8:31 pm

        The scientists in this country are pretty consistent against the virus being here earlier than they originally thought.

        I know several people who believe they had it in mid December. They could be wrong, I guess, but it’s awfully odd their symptoms were exactly the same as what positive-tested people had.

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        Tara   November 22, 2020 at 4:08 am

        Also, to answer your question, there were antibodies found in some early October samples, something one can find as easily as one can find the article shedding doubt on the study linked above which, by the way, is from the South China Morning Post, a Hong Kong newspaper.

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        MIB   November 26, 2020 at 7:25 pm

        It “showed” in Wuhan, Hubei in 2019 August. Hospital visits, traffic, hospital parking lots, communications traffic, etc.
        I figure many people were asymptomatic or thought they had common colds, and the Red China ruling gangsters wanted to “save face” so did not announce it.

        2020-06-09 (5780 Sivan 17)
        John Hayward _Breitbart_
        Harvard study suggests Wuhan coronavirus/covid-19/SARS-cov-2/ncov out-break may have begun in August based on hospital & communications traffic: previous efforts had estimated December or October
        2020-05-11: Eric Haseltine, Ph.D.: Psychology Today: mysterious blips in records of searches for “SARS” & “coronavirus” in 2019 September & October raise questions about time-line
        van Dorp et al.: Science Direct/Infection, Genetics, and Evolution: emergence of genomic diversity and recurrent mutations in SARS-cov-2
        2020-05-04: David Cyranoski: Nature
        South China Morning Post: time of the most recent common ancestor (tMRCA) of 7666 strains of Wuhan coronavirus/covid-19/SARS-cov-2/ncov

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    Gary   November 17, 2020 at 7:27 pm

    Put your seat belts on, it’s going to be a scary ride for the next 2 months. And a mask would help too.

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      TAL   November 18, 2020 at 11:54 am

      COVID-related hospitalizations in Florida are about 1/3 they were during the peak in July – 9500 then versus 3300 now. News flash, hospitalizations (and deaths) are always higher in the Fall/Winter months. This is nothing new and is primarily due to the Common Flu and Pneumonia, which is definitely getting blended with these COVID numbers now. Remember, it pays more (Medicare) to put COVID as part of the diagnosis.

      I guess those folks in the Midwest that have had mask mandates since the beginning of the Pandemic must need to wear two masks now. New York and New Jersey too,

      Protect the vulnerable, and let’s just all agree that we need to get the vaccines and new treatments to the masses, and stop worrying about Trump taking credit. As we all know by now, lockdowns and masks did not do ANYTHING to stop this virus. It’s still here, and exists in every nook and cranny now thanks to Joe’s buddies in China.

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        Cheryl Collins   November 18, 2020 at 1:13 pm

        Exactly x 100

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        Alexander   November 18, 2020 at 2:13 pm

        Masks work. Logically, a physical barrier will reduce (not prevent) spread of any respiratory illness (reduction of potential energy of particles reduces range). Flu numbers are down worldwide because other countries are using them to combat COVID and masks work on more than just this disease.

        Lockdowns are not put in place as a cure. Lockdowns used to immediately change the conditions on the ground to reduce the opportunities for disease to spread. Governments were to use this opportunity to improve testing and contact tracing. Regardless of the pandemic, identifying and isolating potentially sick individuals through testing and contact tracing is standard procedure. These techniques are time tested and proven effective.

        Medicare pays more when there is a positive test for COVID because it is a real threat that is more expensive to treat currently (PPE, isolation beds, etc.)

        Other countries did a better job during their shutdowns when it came to testing and contact tracing. Their economies are already bouncing back.

        Most of us are hurting financially from this pandemic and want our economy back that doesn’t mean that the right answer is denial. Just as tourists would avoid a warzone or restaurants/business that appear dirty, tourists will avoid Florida until we get our act together. We needed our state to be a clean, safe place that invites tourists to spend our money here and keeps our elderly safe. DeSantis needs to think longer term as our current increasing caseloads are a direct result of his failure of leadership and focus on the short term.

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          TAL   November 18, 2020 at 3:57 pm

          Not even sure where to begin to rebut most of these untruths so I’ll just state facts that can’t be disputed.

          Florida is #14 in the US when it comes to deaths/million and #20 when it comes to cases/million. Yes I’m including DC if you want to split hairs, but since those people get a say in the election, I’m counting them.

          This is despite being the 3rd largest State by population and the largest percentage of elderly in the US. I still remember CNN and MSNBC gleefully reporting 2.2M would die in Florida from COVID. Sorry CNN and MSNBC.

          People are fleeing to Florida and other Republican run States to get away from these stupid, Draconian measures being employed in traditionally Blue States. Our economy is doing just fine and last time I checked, we still don’t pay State taxes even though crack-head Gilllum wanted it.

          If anyone is still hurting financially, it’s because Counties like Broward are still run by Liberals and unelected morons like Bertha Henry,

          Other countries, especially Europe, are hurting big time, except for Sweden of course. Sweden treated their people like aduts, and their economy never went in the tank in the first place.

          Just the facts please, not fear and hyperbole to try and steal an election,

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            Rick   November 18, 2020 at 4:02 pm

            That’s hysterical, you trying to rebut untruths and spewing out garbage. Too hard to even refute your inaccuracies, but for a start, Sweden just banned indoor gatherings of more than 8 people. Try and keep up if you’re going to play.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/11/18/sweden-coronavirus-surge-policy/?utm_campaign=wp_todays_worldview&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_todayworld&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F2cd0ff4%2F5fb4a9579d2fda0efb6bcdee%2F596a7392ade4e20ee372432e%2F10%2F87%2F749631c8ada26b0c91565dfbbcb63054&fbclid=IwAR0GSfoJoL6dQM-1nUylaVbnd5XESJ2Rckjnpwwow9We0Qfgi8dllq3deLk

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            MJ   November 18, 2020 at 5:56 pm

            Are you saying that Republican run states like South Dakota are doing a good job with Covid? Just the facts please on cases, positivity, hospitalizations and mortality (current figures for example last 2 weeks).

            Also the facts on Sweden v its neighbours.

            I believe we all need to look at what we can do to stop the spread. We were told by scientists throughout the summer that if we did not bring done the cases to a reasonable level the surge would be much worse, now here we are.

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            Craig O.   November 19, 2020 at 8:04 am

            Tal, I see you are on here a lot posting. For someone that clearly doesn’t care about the virus, it’s surprising. You may not care about your health or that of those around you, but some people do, so maybe your time is better served doing something else. You clearly are not going to be a part of the solution here until the virus impacts you or a loved one, which I hope you never have to go through. We have been dealing with this virus since early this year. There is light at the end of the tunnel with promising vaccines that will be here in a few months. Why can’t we all just agree to hunker down for a few months and slow the spread and potentially save a few lives as we wait for the vaccine? I’m not saying shut everything down, just be smart about gathering, practice social distancing, and wear a mask. Is a few months too much to ask?

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            MJ   November 19, 2020 at 10:35 am

            I see you did not want to reply with facts. Maybe that is because most of your post is your opinion and name calling. If only this was not so serious your post would be funny in its imbecility calling for facts and spouting rubbish.

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            Kevin Pack   November 20, 2020 at 3:41 pm

            Rick – Much of Europe is in hard lockdown where you will be ticked for wandering more than 3 kilometers from your house, closing all “non-essential” businesses, and wartime curfews. Meanwhile in Sweden they closed nothing and limited PUBLIC gatherings to 8 people which does not apply to private gatherings. So essentially Sweden has banned concerts. Not sure that qualifies in any way of reversing course in favor of lockdowns. Actually just seems like a highly unobtrusive and reasonable approach.

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            Debi P   November 21, 2020 at 12:11 am

            erm…just facts? :} Pretty sure those are opinions and insults.

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        Josh   November 18, 2020 at 9:43 pm

        You’re drinking the trump kool -aid. Look up the facts. Flu virus is less transmissible than cv19. Cv-19 will kill you more easily. Wear a mask when indoors and be healthy. Flu will be less this year due to mask wearing. Doctors don’t want to see more covid. Doctors don’t make more for covid diagnosis. Don’t you think remsivir/ nursing etc costs more when you got Covid vs flu. Smarten up. This country is being selfish.

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          TAL   November 19, 2020 at 8:37 am

          I guess we all have a different idea of what “better” is. Sweden’s GDP is in far better shape than their neighbors, please show me something that indicates otherwise. Even more important, looking at yesterday’s data for new deaths in Europe:

          Sweden – 4
          Netherlands – 82
          Belgium – 223
          Germany – 244
          Spain – 351
          UK – 529
          Italy – 753

          People that watch CNN and MSNBC for their daily news still look at cases as the #1 criteria. Sorry, but I still think how many people are dying is the more important statistic. Silly me

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            MJ   November 20, 2020 at 7:39 am

            Tal – As you said silly you. Please quote all relevant facts when trying to push your view as you say facts are important.

            Deaths per million population for the Nordic countries since pandemic started. In case you are unsure these are Sweden’s most comparable neighbors:

            Sweden – 626
            Norway – 56
            Finland – 68
            Denmark- 133

            As you said how many people are dying is the more important statistic.

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            Kevin Pack   November 20, 2020 at 3:32 pm

            MJ – When viewing demographics Belgium has more commonality with lifestyle along with densely packed immigrant and refugee communities.

            Deaths per million:
            Belgium – 1,323.23
            UK – 803.18
            Sweden – 616.4
            Netherlands – 501.71

            Deaths in Sweden were already on a trajectory three times as high when Denmark instituted their first lockdown (around 7 times higher than Norway). It takes at least three weeks from contraction to die from COVID which would put the first effects on deaths in Denmark at around April 5th (started lockdown in mid-March).

            Nordic deaths graph:
            https://www.blazingcatfur.ca/2020/04/05/sweden-prepares-for-possible-tighter-coronavirus-measures-as-death-toll-climbs/

            It was clear before the lockdowns that Sweden was going to suffer more deaths.

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        Martin   November 19, 2020 at 1:22 pm

        You can “protect the vulnerable” by wearing a mask and social distancing, you can protect the economy by wearing a mask and social distancing, you can relieve the pressure on the healthcare system and our essential workers b wearing a mask and social distancing. All the rest of this is political bull.

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        Patricia Mashino   November 19, 2020 at 2:39 pm

        mr trump & VP has planned a RALLY in FLORIDA! Plans to FIGHT to be re-elected!
        Fight thru DECEMBER. GAWD. Biden is gonna take Georgia.
        USA PRESIDENT IS A LOSER with an AGENDA.

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        LMG   November 20, 2020 at 8:39 am

        1000 percent agree

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        Debi P   November 21, 2020 at 12:08 am

        Florida most likely will not have as many problem through the winter for exactly the reasons you’re stating…it’s warmer and the cold/flu season is milder here, so that will help with this as well since it’s spreads in similar fashion.

        The areas that actually have the higher rates of infection right now are the areas that don’t have mask mandates. New York’s positivity rate is just now around 3% because, of course, it’s going to go up somewhat during the winter months for reasons already stated.

        The area that I’m in was going up up up and then masks were mandated and then, yes, the rate when down. That’s what happens everywhere people actually start wearing masks. They do help and if you do get it you’re more likely to get a low dose, a less severe outcome.

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        Susie Bolla   November 21, 2020 at 6:41 pm

        Can’t understand why you believe this crap. Because your god told you I would guess. I did not already say this as I put my email in wrong and it did not send. Not to worry this person could care less. No sense in commenting. It won’t change the deniers.

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      Jim   November 21, 2020 at 2:09 pm

      Keep our eyes on these figures: total current daily deaths relative to average of past decade, adjusted for population growth. And current TOTAL current hospitalizations vs. average of past ten years. Number of covid deaths is meaningless if we do not know the total deaths above baseline (ca. 8,000 per day nationally).

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    Jamey O'Steen   November 16, 2020 at 1:41 pm

    Without a chart to show how many “HOURS” the average stay in the hospital actual is, the new hospitalizations don’t show the true story. As someone who is currently undergoing Cancer treatment, I am getting to spend a lot of time with Doctors and nurses. I am hearing the average stay is less than 36 hours. A huge number is less than 24 hours.

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      MJ   November 17, 2020 at 12:02 pm

      The total current hospitalizations is important and we are up over 50% in the last month. Lets hope it doesn’t keep going up. Near us hear the largest hospital in Pinellas only has 1 ICU bed free…..

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      JTK   November 18, 2020 at 11:34 am

      My sister is an ER nurse. About 2 weeks ago, lost her taste, body aches, slight fever. Uh oh, we thought because she is also asthmatic. Sure enough, she had COVID. After a couple of days, she figured she needed to go to the hospital. She was admitted, got some treatments, and was released 24 hours later. Yesterday she went for a test to see if she was cleared to return to work. No one else in the family got COVID and other than a lingering dry cough which gets better each day she feels fine. If she gets a negative test, we will have them for Thanksgiving.

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    Rick   November 14, 2020 at 8:17 pm

    Here’s a good site for hospitalizations:

    https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/ICUBedsHospital?%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y

    I pay attention to the ICU beds and COVID hospitalizations tabs.

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    Publius   November 14, 2020 at 3:55 am

    Locally hospitalizations continue a downward trend at 29 total; 9 at TMH and 20 at CRMC as of Friday as reported in the Demicrat

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    Rick   November 13, 2020 at 2:32 pm

    I still see people comparing countries and states as to how they have fared with The Virus. But that’s basically impossible.

    Things which must be taken into account when comparing countries or states in terms of their success in minimizing the effects of COVID-19:
    * Population density
    * % Black population (higher mortality)
    * Average age
    * Island (or nearly an island)
    * Cultural norms of conformity
    * Strong states vs. Federal govt.
    * Vitamin D exposure
    * HCQ use
    * When they got first infection
    * How open the borders
    * How seniors are cared for
    * Sex rates and number of partners
    * Fake news effect
    * Privacy limits
    * Data credibility
    * Lying about contact tracing
    * Which “type” of coronavirus dominated
    * Comorbidities
    * Population density distribution
    * Transportation mechanisms
    * Average BMI
    And of course you have to wait until the end of the coronavirus everywhere to know how a country performed overall. Infections are likely to return to most places that have it under control.

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    Jesse   November 12, 2020 at 3:17 pm

    I might never get over this thread. I used to think, if all of these talented people who play guitar hero actually spent the time to learn to play guitar, they would be amazing.

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    Paul Morgan   November 11, 2020 at 12:47 am

    I wore a mask all year. I also use 70 percent alcohol on my hands when I enter my vehicle from wherever I was. I also keep my distance from people. I have not had a cold all year. I like that. I have no problem wearinng the mask. I’m not going to wear it outside. No one is going to make me do that. I’m not wearing in a large store where I am only customer in there. I’m not wearing it in my vehicle. So I hope nobody tries to mandate some national mask wearing outside the home. It is way over the top. Trump handled the whole mask thing wrong. I understand what he was trying to do. We need to get the country open. We are already heading toward paying a big price. The less we are closed the better it will be. Won’t impact me as I already have made my money. I’m safe. But there will be many that will lose their jobs and will not be able to find work. There is a reckoning coming.

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      Tara   November 12, 2020 at 5:10 am

      I fear you are right. I don’t know how New York City will recover. There hasn’t been a play performed since March. Everyone I know who works there is still working from home. The city that never sleeps is practically comatose.

      One of the hardest hit are the hair and nail salon owners. Numerous businesses have gone under. These were people who invested in a business and ended up losing it to a virus that is serious for a very low % of the population.

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        TAL   November 12, 2020 at 3:40 pm

        This is really sad Tara, but it’s all about a political calculation by these liberal Mayors and Governors. Even though small and medium business owners are suffering, they make up a small percentage of the constituents that elect these same clowns over and over and over and over…..

        People out of work, no problem, we’ll take care of them and make them totally dependent upon the Gov’t for aspect of their lives. These are the same cities that are flat out broke due to poor leadership and looking to get bailed out as part of these proposed COVID-19 stimulus packages. Most of us know better that these problems were created decades ago, not with COVID-19.

        Same with Chicago, Philadelphia, LA, Detroit, Baltimore, etc, etc, etc

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          joseph   November 12, 2020 at 7:54 pm

          It was a sad time that so many people had to pass in nursing homes do to New York gov.

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          Debi   November 16, 2020 at 5:09 pm

          I think this is an extreme oversimplification.

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            C.M. Woods   November 18, 2020 at 4:25 am

            Absolutely correct Debi. As a public health educator/epidemiologist even I find it difficult to work the numbers & analyze what’s happening around the US regarding COVID. We’ll be compiling data, crunching numbers & trying to figure it out for the next 20+ years. People are looking for a scapegoat, pointing fingers when they have no idea what they’re talking about.
            Had Trump mandated closures & masks in March people would’ve been in an uproar. Americans don’t like to be told what to do, even if it’s for their own good. People are still resisting masks even when it’s been shown masks are an effective deterrent to infection.
            I’m hopeful Moderna’s vaccine which was just reported Monday as being 94.5% effective will become available mid-Dec.for high risk people & our health care workers & the rest of the population by April.

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      Mama Bear   November 12, 2020 at 8:34 am

      Paul, please help me understand. What is going to happen with the reckoning? I am sincerely asking for more information.

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    Paul Morgan   November 11, 2020 at 12:40 am

    This is a complicated subject and much is still not known about this virus. I would recommend that we give one another some slack. We are all humans and we all want the best for us. It doesn’t matter if the President is Trump, Biden, Obama, or whomever….any President would do his best and for anyone here to suggest otherwise is just a terrible thing to see. Remember Trump lost his brother and friends to the virus. As long as you make him out to be a cold evil demon you have no credibility with me. 70 plus million people voted for Trump. You need to respect that. The subject is complicated and we need to respect one another. Discuss it with kindness.

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      Tom Reagan   November 11, 2020 at 9:29 am

      President Trump has repeatedly said the COVID crisis was a media-driven lie that would disappear the day after the election. I’m sorry, but he is not “doing his best” to fix this problem. As the nation is seeing its highest levels of both cases and hospitalizations since the pandemic started, he is golfing and contesting the results of a fair election… and hasn’t said a SINGLE WORD about the increasingly dire situation. Please don’t defend the indefensible.

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        Pitt Warner   November 11, 2020 at 2:39 pm

        I don’t believe Trump ever said the virus a media driven lie that would disappear the day after the election. If you can find the quote, please post it. I’d love to read it. (pls be careful and honest)

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          Tom Reagan   November 11, 2020 at 4:23 pm

          This was Trump two weeks ago (the caps are his): “ALL THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IS COVID, COVID, COVID. ON NOVEMBER 4th, YOU WON’T BE HEARING SO MUCH ABOUT IT ANYMORE. WE ARE ROUNDING THE TURN!!!”

          To be “careful and honest,” he was not saying the virus itself is a lie, just that the media was sensationalizing it in order to hurt his chances at reelection.

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            Pitt Warner   November 11, 2020 at 8:15 pm

            So your original comment above was a lie. Correct? You falsely interpret Trump, spread the untruths, and expect what? Recognition? Fame? You may want to revisit some basic laws of humanity.

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            TAL   November 11, 2020 at 8:57 pm

            So would you prefer Trump stay locked down in a bunker? What is your plan? Personally, I feel having the leader of the free world spreading fear on a daily basis is not really leading at all. What would Biden have done differently, been more empathetic? How does that help? Did Roosevelt say “oh my God, the Japanese killed another 10000 Americans in the Pacific” as part of his daily address? Or maybe Eisenhower should have called off D-Day because a bunch of 18-19 year olds were going to die on the beaches of Normandy. Trump’s actions were far more important than his words or demeanor, which is why we now have a vaccine getting ready to be distributed to millions in RECORD time. That had to be the top priority, along with treatments like Remdesivir from DAY 1. Make no mistake, either Obama or Biden would have kept us locked down and hoped the virus would magically disappear. We know that didn’t work, and caused more harm, but the addiction and depression-related deaths are not being talked about breathlessly by the media. Just look at Europe, except for Sweden, how are they doing now? And that is AFTER prolonged lockdowns and mask wearing. Sweden must be laughing their collective heads off at the rest of the World.

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            MJ   November 12, 2020 at 8:15 am

            The leader of the free world should be doing his job. Not fighting to overturn a democratic election.

            Sweden deaths per m 601 Germany 144 Canada 282. Not sure they will be laughing at the rest of the world. Looks a little better than us but not much.

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            Tom Reagan   November 12, 2020 at 12:33 pm

            Making semantic arguments to defend Donald Friggin’ Trump isn’t exhibiting “basic laws of humanity.” This man has never shown an ounce of compassion for the now 240k+ American lives lost to a disease, let alone advocated something as simple as wearing a mask, which if he hadn’t made it into a political statement could have saved many of those lives. We are in the most extreme period to date in terms of cases and hospitalizations and the president of the United States hasn’t said a single word about it, except to accuse a drug company with a promising vaccine of playing politics with the announcement. Instead, he is spending all of his time broadcasting debunked conspiracy theories, filing frivolous lawsuits, and attacking Fox News, all because his feelings are hurt after he badly lost an election. The only thing sadder than the behavior of this narcissistic grifter child is the behavior of those who apologize for him.

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            Pitt Warner   November 12, 2020 at 7:51 pm

            OK. You’re unhappy. Check one for the unhappy. Got it.

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            Tara   November 13, 2020 at 4:20 pm

            I’d bet one thing….if Trump had to do it all over, he’d play the concerned father figure, doling out mask-wearing advice and talking incessantly about those who died and what a shame it is. And in between that, he’d be encouraging all his supporters to mail-in vote. If he had it to do it all over……

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            N1111Z   November 15, 2020 at 8:13 pm

            MJ you should learn to read. Worldometer and Johns Hopkins, Sweden death rate per m better than UK, France, USA, and twenty other nations.

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          Rosemarie Fusco   November 17, 2020 at 12:26 pm

          When: Friday, February 7, and Wednesday, February 19
          The claim: The coronavirus would weaken “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”

          When: Thursday, February 27
          The claim: The outbreak would be temporary: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”

          When: Multiple times
          The claim: If the economic shutdown continues, deaths by suicide “definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about” for COVID-19 deaths.
          When: Multiple times
          The claim: “Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,” and cases are “coming way down.”

          When: Wednesday, June 17
          The claim: The pandemic is “fading away. It’s going to fade away.”

          When: Thursday, July 2
          The claim: The pandemic is “getting under control.”
          When: Saturday, July 4
          The claim: “99%” of COVID-19 cases are “totally harmless.”

          When: Thursday, August 27
          The claim: The U.S. has “among the lowest case-fatality rates of any major country anywhere in the world.”
          The truth: When Trump said this, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, and India all had lower case-fatality rates than the U.S., which sat in the middle of performance rankings among all nations and among the 20 countries hardest hit by the virus.

          When: Multiple times
          The claim: The media is overblowing fears about the virus ahead of Election Day.
          The truth: Has journalism stopped covering the pandemic after Trump lost the election?

          When: Multiple times
          The claim: “Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country.”
          HAHAHAHA

          When: Multiple times
          The claim: The Trump administration’s travel restrictions on China were a “ban” that closed up the “entire” United States and “kept China out.”
          The truth: Nearly 40,000 people traveled from China to the United States from February 2, when Trump’s travel restrictions went into effect, to April 4th.

          When: Thursday, March 26
          The claim: This kind of pandemic “was something nobody thought could happen … Nobody would have ever thought a thing like this could have happened.”
          Truth: In case you forgot, this dude was alerted to the presence of the virus in the very end of 2020 and did nothing, while the republicans who knew sold their stocks. The USA might have known earlier if Trump hadn’t dismantled and defunded the US infectious diseases team in China just earlier that year.

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    Publius   November 7, 2020 at 2:44 am

    Suggest TR report Leon County and Florida stats on hospitalizations and deaths at the same time to get full perspectives.

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    Alexander   November 5, 2020 at 9:51 am

    The current research shows that masks work to reduce the spread and severity of Covid-19 (and likely other illnesses like the flu). The research is indicating that the volume of viral particles determine the severity of the disease. Masks work since they reduce the volume spread and reduce the distance that they can travel by absorbing the energy. Basically, a single bee sting is not a big deal to most people but a swarm of bees can pose a significant risk to most people. Fewer stings means better outcomes. Less virus means better outcomes. They don’t need to block 100% of the virus. Any reduction will result in better outcomes. Universal mask usage is key to controlling the outbreak and getting the economy back up.

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      Aaron Wood   November 9, 2020 at 11:40 am

      I’m going to be as kind as I can be here … site your sources ! (spoiler alert — you won’t find any ).

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      Kevin Pack   November 9, 2020 at 1:22 pm

      Agree Aaron. We need to be careful when issuing irreproachable claims that masks work because there are no scientifically sound studies proving they do and certainly none that are peer reviewed. There is good anecdotal evidence that they can help with very close contact situations like at a barber but almost none on use outside or on universal wearing.

      However, open to seeing any updates to this situation if you have any sources. I just ask we stick to sound research and studies before posting low quality confirmation biased “studies”

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        Mickey P.   November 9, 2020 at 10:51 pm

        You are a closed minded idiot that will only accept the truth one a sociopath, sore loser tells you it is ok to do so. Your sad existence that is based on a fanboy love for someone that doesn’t care about you or any of your fellow supporters really makes me sad for you, but don’t let that impact the many Americans that deserve to live and have a happy, full life if we just listen to the intelligent doctors and scientists.

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          Cheri T   November 11, 2020 at 8:12 am

          and you had to go down the path of being obnoxious with ‘You are a closed minded idiot’. That’s the best you can do (smh)?

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        Mama Bear   November 12, 2020 at 8:59 am

        New CDC guidelines do give a list of citations on masks – but as the disclaimer states effectiveness has been demonstrated through observation and epidemiological studies.
        The MSM media has politicized masks so much – I worry that we have lost the cornerstone of all infection control – hand washing. Frequent and correctly practiced hand washing is essential – especially because most people touch their masks frequently.

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          N1111Z   November 15, 2020 at 8:04 pm

          Don’t forget distancing. Every time I go to the store some moron employee comes and stands next to me restocking shelves. Why are you standing next to me? I have a mask on, I have to do my job. Well you’re going to have a hell of a time doing your job from a hospital bed. Distancing is proven, mask is not.

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        Holly   November 17, 2020 at 12:33 pm

        Kevin, you can find many peer-reviewed studies about the effectiveness of masks (various materials) in JAPA and The Lancet. There has been peer reviewed research on scenario-based research of masks by infectious diseases for decades, but the most recent ones (since the beginning of this pandemic mobilization) are also available. A good one recently came out of Japan. Perhaps just based on the chance that they might protect our fellow humans, we could wear one. But if you need hard evidence of how effect a mask is to justify wearing one – happy reading! 🙂

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        Aaron Wood   November 9, 2020 at 6:33 pm

        Perhaps I was not specific enough … “The research is indicating that the volume of viral particles determine the severity of the disease. ”

        This is the line that you wrote which is unfounded. I think that you are confusing viral load with viral dose. Viral dose is the amount of the virus that you come in contact which can determine whether you get sick, while viral load is the amount of the virus in your body when you are sick. There are studies which show the higher your viral load the worse your symptoms (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.22.20199125v1.full.pdf) , but there are none that connect the individuals viral load to the viral dose which caused them to get sick in the first place. A virus like this is nothing like a bee sting, it replicates exponentially inside your body and how quickly and how many times it reproduces is a factor of a lot of variables, and none of them are known to be the viral dose that you initially met with (unless you can find a study that I am unaware of).

        I am not going to get into the efficiency or effectiveness of masks because that is just beating a dead horse.

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          MJ   November 10, 2020 at 8:06 am

          So are you saying it doesn’t reduce your chance of catching the virus if there are less viral particles in the air?

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            Aaron Wood   November 10, 2020 at 9:13 am

            No that is not what I am saying and not the part of the original post that I think was wrong. The original claim is that the less viral particles in the air , the less “the severity of the disease.” if you do catch it.

            My objection is that as far as I can find there is no correlation between how severely sick a person gets and how much of the virus they initially came into contact with. How much of the virus you come in contact with may determine whether or not you get infected. However, if you get infected I have found no evidence that there is a difference whether it was from standing in a room full of Covid patients coughing on you, or if it was from one person you interacted with briefly.

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          MJ   November 10, 2020 at 6:55 pm

          Ok I get your point. When you said show your sources I thought you were disputing that masks reduce the spread as well as the severity.

          Until we have a vaccine in circulation for most of the population I think masks are the best we have for those who cannot be outside and social distance. People need to work and masks are the only way to make it a little safer at the moment.

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    TAL   November 3, 2020 at 6:57 pm

    Mike, maybe you should look in the mirror and do some of your own research versus name calling. Take a look at Sweden, doing better than all of Europe and not seeing any “surge” like the rest of Europe that has had mask mandates throughout. Same with Blue States in the US like Wisconsin, Illinois, and Michigan. The virus is going to do what it’s going to do, a piece of cloth is not going to stop it, and certainly not inside a residence where family members don’t even wear a mask – are you advocating that? Your best defense is being in good shape, and if you aren’t, better to have your groceries delivered and stay away from your family.

    Japan and most of the Asian countries are doing better than Europe and the US because most of their population is not morbidly obese and diabetes is not prevalent like it is in the US, particularly with minorities who are 4 to 5 times more likely to die from COVID-19. Fact per the CDC.

    The average age of death from COVID-19 in the US is 78, actually 79 in Florida per FDOH. The average life expectancy of an American is 78.4. Coincidence?

    All this talk about masks is mind-numbing, there are only two ways to deal with this virus and any other pathogen that has come before. 1.) Vaccine, 2.) Natural Immunity.

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      Jerome   November 4, 2020 at 1:31 pm

      Japan is also testing at a significantly lower frequency than the U.S (roughly 22,000 tests per 1M people in Japan, compared to 455,000 tests per 1M people in the U.S.). That could definitely explain the delta between total cases.

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        MJ   November 5, 2020 at 7:25 am

        You need to test less when you have less community spread not more.. for most of the pandemic Japans positivity rate has been way belo the US hence the need to test a lot less.

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          TAL   November 6, 2020 at 2:42 pm

          There is a reason for this lack of testing in Japan. Their policy is to focus on testing people when they are actually sick and also their insurance plans don’t cover tests for people that want to get tested, “just because”.

          “For this reason, the Health, Labor, and Welfare Ministry recommended that patients without any underlying conditions be kept at home, and that testing capacity be focused on people who had had close contact with COVID-19 patients as well as older persons with underlying conditions.”

          Same explanation for why the NE States aren’t officially showing MILLIONS of cases since they couldn’t test everyone and everything that moved back in the Spring. Japan also doesn’t isolate and quarantine a bunch of perfectly healthy people which leads to many other mental and physical issues like drug abuse and suicide. This is why hospitalizations and deaths, particularly excess deaths, are a much better barometer.

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            MJ   November 8, 2020 at 11:58 am

            Why do you think they have a much lower positivity?

            If they only test sick people it should be higher than here but it is way lower. This means you can do less testing when Covid is under control. As we have seen in the North at the moment positivity here is through the roof and the virus is really out of control.

            I fully agree that initially in the NE testing was not available hence the number is way low there. Another reason it ran out of control is that we had done 8000 tests by early March. S. Korea which had its 1st test on the same day as us had done over 100K tests by early March.

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      Jerry   November 6, 2020 at 12:35 pm

      The Asian countries are also using Contact Tracing Apps to isolate new covid cases and stop the spread of the disease. In many countries, the app is mandated along with wrist bands to ensure you stay quarantined. South Korea has a novel covid avoidance app. The State of Virginia released a Contact Tracing app in July and I believe it has had very low acceptance

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      Gary   November 13, 2020 at 3:45 pm

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/12/covid-infections-in-sweden-surge-dashing-hopes-of-herd-immunity

      May want to rethink the Sweden statement.

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    Brandi Christine Johnson   November 2, 2020 at 11:42 am

    I live in Michigan, worked in the fitness industry and am considering a move to Florida where I can have a job and some freedom. I pray for the day where I don’t have to read someone virtue signalling online about masks. What have we been lowered to? Are we all going to live in fear until we die? We all die. We all get sick. My god people, wake up. Why would you deliberately give up your freedom in a state that is trying to help you?

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      Debi Park   November 2, 2020 at 2:43 pm

      I’m going to regret this but…what freedom has someone given up?

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      Tara   November 2, 2020 at 3:16 pm

      Thank you, Brandi. I agree. For the vast majority of people, this is little more than a cold.

      I was in a discussion with some friends about why the whole world has gone on board with this. It’s puzzling, for sure. A lot of the deaths are people who were dying anyway. Granted, it shortened some lives, especially grandmas and grandpas who could have had more years. But, to me, at a certain age I expect something to come along that could take me out. And like you said, should we live in fear every day of that something?

      I am thankful every day I retired to Florida. I was born in NJ and lived in NY before retiring to FL. We can’t hide from this virus forever….it’s waiting. I heard NY may shut down again. There was one story of a batshit crazy undertaker who was throwing bodies in a UHaul and all you hear is “so many people were dying they had to put them in trucks.”

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        Debi Park   November 3, 2020 at 4:32 pm

        Are you referring to the refrigerated trucks they were using to hold the bodies? If there was a story about 1 person using a UHaul I missed it so I just wanted to clarify.

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      CC   November 2, 2020 at 4:11 pm

      The freedom to not wear a mask? Do you feel the same way about seat belts?

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        Pitt Warner   November 8, 2020 at 9:11 am

        I think seat belts are a good comparison. Do you really need a seat belt in 20-35 mph, stop and go traffic, with lots of traffic lights, school zones, ped crossings, suburban settings? I usually belt up, but if you’re a careful driver driving in a typical small town setting under 30 mph, I think I’m not in harm if I don’t buckle up. (I wear a seat belt 98%). Driving on a highway at 60 -70 mph and getting blown away by everything from Tuners, truckers, bikes going 80+ mph, I always wear a seat belt. Same with masks. Wear them where it makes sense. Walking on a sidewalk past diners eating outside, I don’t really need to worry. Same with people on sidewalks. I don’t care if you’re not wearing/not wearing. So far, so good.

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          N1111Z   November 8, 2020 at 12:40 pm

          If you are “only” going 25 and are in a head-on your air bag will have your head resting in your lap. Air bags are the best reason to wear a seat belt.

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      Kurt Sigmund   November 2, 2020 at 6:58 pm

      The level of ignorance is appalling. Wearing a mask helps save lives.

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        Tara   November 3, 2020 at 12:02 pm

        My take on Brandi’s post was that she was concerned with loss of jobs and the freedom to work. Her comment on masks was just on the never-ending conversation about them, as evidenced here. The name-calling and insults and everything being about masks is exactly what she said she was hoping would end. I could be wrong, but I don’t think she meant not wearing them.

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      Mike   November 2, 2020 at 9:59 pm

      Brandi,
      PLEASE! Educate yourself. Look at Japan’s numbers compared to the USA. Using data from the CDC (an American organization), in the US, you’re 50 times more likely to catch Covid, and if you catch it you’re twice as likely to die. What’s the difference? Japan has NO mask shaming Republicans.. They’ve been wearing masks every flu season since the 90’s. LOOK AT THE DATA NOT THE TELEVISION. DO YOUR RESEARCH. THEN APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE YOU’VE TRIED TO SHAME.. ignorant ass.. please DONT move to Florida, weve already got WAY too many self righteous Yankees..

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        Tara   November 2, 2020 at 11:45 pm

        Well, with all that name-calling and insults, I question who is doing the shaming. Brandi said nothing about masks.

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          Tara   November 2, 2020 at 11:47 pm

          Oops, she did mention masks. But still, your comments were uncalled for.

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        Chris   November 3, 2020 at 2:22 pm

        Mike,
        You are comparing completely different populations, climates, and ethnicities.

        Obesity Rate in US is 42.4% (this is insane)
        Obesity Rate in Japan is 4.3%

        Its been shown that High Blood Pressure, diabetes, and metabolic dysfunction in general are significant co-morbidities of Covid 19.

        I posit the significant difference in Covid spread & outcomes between Japan and other East Asian nations vs the US has more to do with the obesity rate than mask wearing. Also, prior to Covid, although Japanese people would wear masks in public, it was limited to those who were already sick. Not the general population. Having a virus, and being sick are two different things. Humans are exposed to countless bacteria and viruses on the daily basis. We are not always sick.

        The research on the efficacy of mask wearing is not out. I agree that in most cases wearing a mask doesn’t hurt. Its just not the full proof solution people are making it out to be. Wearing masks is not going to prevent you or anyone else from being exposed to or contracting the disease. Especially since the general population are not capable of appropriately wearing masks consistently.

        Ex: You adjusted your mask with your hand so that it covers your nose because it slipped down, boom you could have spread Covid from you hand to your mask.

        And lastly, as if on cue, you proved Brandi’s point about just mentioning masks online will bring out the virtue signalers.

        Hope you stay safe and educate yourself on all the aspects of the pandemic. Single factor analysis is very easy to do, but is generally useless for policy and personal decision making.

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        N1111Z   November 6, 2020 at 8:59 am

        There is still no solid scientific proof that masks do anything other that encourage people to forgo measures that have been proven, such as not standing shoulder to shoulder next to me and washing your hands thoroughly. By scientific proof I mean large long-term double-blinded studies. Everything else is inference and extrapolation. Japan has lower numbers because of masks? Correlation does not imply causation. Who’s the a$$?

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        Dorothy Rivera   November 7, 2020 at 3:11 pm

        You tell him I am 1 of those grandmas that would like to spend a few more years with my family so I will wear my mask and ask anyone near me to do the same

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      Judy Shapero   November 3, 2020 at 4:37 pm

      Brandi. You must be young and healthy. I’m glad you are not in an at risk category. I am going to be 70 next April. I have great friends and a lot more living to do. I am doing 6 zoom exercise classes every week to stay strong. I had a trip to Alaska planned with my sister who is 4 1/2 years older. My sister has a mild case of emphysema. I am hoping you will choose to wear a mask to protect us as we would probably fare worse than you. You have the freedom to choose to care for your fellow human beings who are at a higher risk.

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      DeepStateProvocateur   November 5, 2020 at 6:48 am

      Important message for you:

      https://www.fox9.com/video/862966

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    Publius   November 1, 2020 at 3:32 am

    Where are the local stats? Are they in an upward trend in hospitalizations as Florida overall?

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    Kevin Pack   October 31, 2020 at 1:26 pm

    Johns Hopkins finally updated their numbers for Florida to more accurately reflect positivity. They now show the Florida 5% positivity rate correctly.

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      Dr. W.   October 31, 2020 at 2:20 pm

      FL positivity (10/31, 1:16 PM) = 7.94%
      https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida

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        Tara   October 31, 2020 at 3:05 pm

        From that link:

        *****
        “The count for this metric is incremented up by one for each day on which an individual person is tested, no matter how many specimens are collected from that person on that day. If an individual person is tested twice a day on three different days, this count will increment up by three.”
        *****

        I really don’t understand why they count anyone more than once. People who get COVID need a negative test before they can go back to work, so of course they are getting tested more than once. Some people get tested several times before finally getting the negative.

        Another example of “torture numbers long enough and they’ll admit to anything.”

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        Kevin Pack   November 1, 2020 at 5:05 pm

        That is an incorrect link and stat, 7.94% is from beginning of pandemic. Current 7 day positivity rate is 5.7%.

        https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/florida

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        Kevin Pack   November 1, 2020 at 5:14 pm

        One can view the stats for themselves to see how poorly New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Massachusetts performed.

        https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

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      Dr. W.   October 31, 2020 at 2:23 pm

      Rankings of example US states (some have statewide mask mandates)
      here:
      https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-covid-19-test-positivity-rates-july-14.html

      a few examples
      Data points were last updated Oct. 31. Data for positivity rates and tests are seven-day moving averages. New cases are daily counts as reported by state and the District of Columbia. The information cited is from the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center. States are arranged in descending order of test positivity rates.

      Vermont: 0.5%
      New York: 1.5%
      California: 3.1%
      West Virginia: 4.4%
      South Dakota: 47%
      Alabama: 20.9%

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        TAL   October 31, 2020 at 4:13 pm

        Take whatever NY, NJ, and Conn are reporting with a grain of salt. We all know millions of people actually had the virus in the Spring, just couldn’t be tested at that time unless they were sick enough to go to the hospital – which well over 95% of people that test positive never request hospitalization. The antibody studies conducted in New Rochelle and Brooklyn show this. This means there are very few people left to catch it at this point. If they officially reported on antibodies, that would be a completely different story.

        Wisconsin has had a mask mandate since the beginning and now has a positivity rate between 15 and 20% per Johns Hopkins – 7-day moving average of 13.7%. Maybe they should wear two masks in case the first one falls off.

        Finally Johns Hopkins got onboard with Florida’s reporting and is now showing a 7-day moving average of 5.2% for Florida. This is with pretty much everything fully opened now, unlike California. I’ll take Florida’s policies hands-down over Cali. We don’t have people leaving the State in droves due to Emperor Newsom.

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        Kevin Pack   November 1, 2020 at 5:12 pm

        Death rates per 100,000:

        Worst:
        New Jersey – 184
        New York – 172
        Massachusetts – 144
        Connecticut – 129

        Best:
        Vermont – 9
        Maine – 11
        Alaska – 11
        Wyoming – 15

        Noted:
        South Dakota – 46
        Alabama – 59

        Hard to claim New York did well when the only stat that matters contradicts that claim so strongly.

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        Kevin Pack   November 2, 2020 at 4:38 pm

        One can view the stats for themselves to see how poorly New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Massachusetts performed.

        https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

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        MIB   November 26, 2020 at 7:42 pm

        Wednesday evening, CDCP reported that Florida had an accumulative 938,830 “cases”, 4.408% of population, 18,157 fatalities, 0.085% of population, fatalities/infected rate 1.934%…(unless I made a typo). Panic, everyone!!!

        One reporter noted that a high percentage of fatalities have been among people expected to die within 6 months if SARS-cov-2 never existed. And then there was the Croatian who fell off the ladder, hit his head, bleeding between brain & membrane, arteriosclerosis… an obvious case of Wuhan the MEs say.

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    Mindy   October 30, 2020 at 9:11 am

    Can we get a graph that shows positivity rate and Rate of deaths? I want to compare on the same graph a trend line showing the positive cases with negative outcomes. In other words, I’m hoping it will show that when cases are trending up, hospitalizations and deaths are holding flat or trending down. The bar charts show it but they are isolated so I would like to see the charts combined

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    Dr. W.   October 29, 2020 at 9:39 pm

    To those who continue to question masks, here is a definitive study, a “natural experiment,” recently summary of Kansas citizens in counties with vs without mask mandates. I suggest that those of you who are not scientists (and do not know what the simple meaning of p-value is, for instance) please refrain from stating unsubstantiated statements such as many in this thread. Examples: The virus will be no longer a problem on Nov 4. That is simply untrue. In order for someone to really believe that, one would have to believe all counties in the entire U.S. would be “in on the conspiracy,” not to mention the co-conspirators in all of Europe. Why do you think the Canadian case per capita is >3X lower than ours (5.3/100K CAN vs US 15.5/100K)? Are Canadians NOT in on the “liberal” conspiracy? Here is an excellent summary of the data from multiple countries, where Canada clearly has done so much better than U.S. as a whole. Obviously their cold weather is like our Wisconsin weather. Wisconsin is now under major crisis, such that they had to open a field hospital.

    What would you say to the 34-yo lady who has double pneumonia and is happy to have received care in that field hospital?
    https://www.nbc15.com/2020/10/26/coronavirus-patient-at-wisconsin-field-hospital-say-care-is-high-quality/

    Wisconsin opened an alternative care facility for COVID-19 patients Oct. 14 as COVID-19 hospitalizations tripled statewide over the last month:
    https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/wisconsin-hospitals-on-the-brink-as-field-hospital-opens-6-notes.html

    Here is an article in FORBES, a right-leaning publication, showing how well Canada does:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/10/15/how-excess-mortality-in-2020-compares-infographic/#4646651867a2

    Proof that I am not pushing only “left wing” publications for this argument:
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/forbes/

    Do you notice an uptick in the number of sirens going through your neighborhoods? Those are people struggling for breath being carted off to the hospital, where they will lay alone in their hospital beds. And no, hospitals and doctors offices are NOT inflating covid numbers simply to get more money. Here is a full explanation for why this is a flat out lie (and really hard to believe that people would fall for this, again thinking that there is a massive conspiracy underfoot to make the current administration “look bad.”
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/27/donald-trump/trump-wrong-claim-us-padding-covid-19-stats/

    Regarding “SARS-cov-2 was weaponized. Li Meng Yan, M.D. who allegedly worked there, said in September interviews that it was” This has been disproven WITHOUT a doubt. This “Dr. Yan” did not publish a real scientific journal article. Here are several studies (again published by real scientists who use their real names, that show the lineage of the virus:

    (Ironically enough, we are so good at genomics sequencing these days, with subsequent bioinformatics analyses, that we can even trace the different strains and how they got spread around in this country. The vast majority of those that killed the New Yorkers in the early days actually were infected by viruses coming in from Europe:
    https://asm.org/COVID/COVID-19-Research-Registry/Basic-Virology#evolutions
    (scroll to the bottom of the page for a list of real scientific publications, under “Evolution & Phylogenetics”)
    NY strains study (one of several):
    Introductions and early spread of SARS-CoV-2 in the New York City area
    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6501/297

    Regarding this one: “All of this mask wearing is going to cause people to get deathly ill from a cold because you’re not building your immunity.” You need to read a basic immunology text book, my friend. Immunity is very specific. Although some common colds are caused by coronaviruses, this particular virus is significantly different so that who do contract COVID will have no immunity against colds or other similar viruses. I can point to several places. Here is a basic immuno lesson:
    https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-human-body-systems/hs-the-immune-system/a/hs-the-immune-system-review
    Again, this person is believing Dr. Scott Atlas and his push for herd immunity which has been propogated throughout this state. Please do not state “examples” of (n=1) people who normally wear masks and do not normally wear masks, and subsequent anecdotal “evidence.” Again n=1. True, the regular masks (not N95) do not protect you from contracting it. The masks are meant for all to wear, to prevent you from spreading it. Most of us do not have the luxury of wearing N95 masks out in public. (expensive and hard to find). If I am wearing a mask in Publix, but a maskless person comes near me and expels droplets in my area, of course I could get it. That is why it is so frustrating that people refuse to wear masks.

    What about this one: “There is no hiding from it, people are going to get it, just need to protect the vulnerable.” That is PROMOTING HERD IMMUNITY. (thanks to Dr. Scott Atlas, America’s favorite MRI Radiologist, who has been “selected” by the WH since he is the only person who agrees with opening everything up, with no mask wearing and no physical distancing. All well and good, except the “vulnerable” cannot be completely isolated from the young and the reckless who are getting the disease. Ever try to go to the grocery store and avoid coming near the maskless? Impossible. The young and the reckless are keeping us trapped in our houses.

    From the Mayo Clinic: “there are some major problems with relying on community infection to create herd immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19. First, it isn’t yet clear if infection with the COVID-19 virus makes a person immune to future infection.

    Research suggests that after infection with some coronaviruses, reinfection with the same virus — though usually mild and only happening in a fraction of people — is possible after a period of months or years. Further research is needed to determine the protective effect of antibodies to the virus in those who have been infected. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions.”
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808

    (Simple, just calculate it — to get to 70% of the population, you would have to allow 0.6*325,000,000 = 195,000,000 people to get it. Of those, how many will die? Let’s be generous and err on the low side of death rates shown on this page:
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

    If you push for this natural herd immunity “strategy,” then 195,000,000 people in US contract it, and again if you are using the *low end* of the confirmed death rates:
    0.005*195,000,000 = 975,000 will die.

    If you use the median (again see chart in page jhu.edu/data):
    0.02**195,000,000 = 3,900,000 will die.

    (And please, don’t use that n=1 instance where someone died on a motorcycle but they were counted as covid death. Sometimes overwhelmed hospitals and Dr. offices make mistakes, when they are holding the hands of those dying alone, or holding up phones for last face time with family members….sorry cannot help being snarky.)

    Here’s more info to prove that you would have to have 60-70% get it to achieve natural herd immunity:
    https://www.mdanderson.org/cancerwise/what-is-covid-19-coronavirus-herd-immunity-when-will-we-achieve-herd-immunity.h00-159383523.html

    And don’t forget about long-term damage to survivor’s hearts, eyes, etc. since don’t forget this is a vascular disease that causes irreparable damage that will stay with them for the rest of their lives:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7467860/

    And about this: “The risk of contagion in such places is so low as to make wearing a mask not necessary. And remember, exposure does not mean contagion. Per the CDC, contagion requires extended exposure to a symptomatic person in close proximity.” *Incorrect.* Even brief encounters will result in contracting the virus. The CDC updated its guidelines based on several studies, including this one:
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6943e1.htm
    And here (again from a scientific publication, but this one is written for the lay person):
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

    Re: “Over 2.8M Americans die every year” — YES but we can PREVENT the COVID deaths. Every rational-thinking, logical person who has enough sense to read more than Facebook “news” knows that the actual COVID deaths are WAY underestimated. COVID deaths (actual documented ones) are the third leading cause of death. We are losing K-12 bus drivers, custodians, and cafeteria workers (not to count the teachers) from being in contact with asymptomatic maskless students on buses.

    Last, “If you are old or health compromised stay home. Everyone personally knows their health situation. We live in America- we have rights and freedoms….” We do not have freedoms to infect others. That would be akin to “we have our freedom to drive drunk. If you are afraid of being in a car accident with a drunk driver, then stay off the roads.” Old and compromised are not living in bubbles. We unfortunately come into contact with those maskless “free folks” who are infected but are presymptomatic, or those very young who are bearing high viral loads and still perhaps remain asymptomatic. Noone lives in a bubble. All people need to wear masks to prevent themselves from infecting others.

    This is the Kansas study: https://ipsr.ku.edu/covid19/images/MaskMandateUpdate.pdf

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      Michael Dallbin   October 30, 2020 at 8:44 pm

      Thank you Doctor. Very long winded response quoting some generic media articles. Without requiring a list of articles, you should take a present look at an entire country called Sweden. I would suggest reading the current Economist article on it. . . . Their story rebukes every statement you made.

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      Tara   October 31, 2020 at 12:34 pm

      “Do you notice an uptick in the number of sirens going through your neighborhoods? Those are people struggling for breath being carted off to the hospital, where they will lay alone in their hospital beds.”

      THAT. Is reckless fear mongering, and it’s a shame because it undermines everything else you said.

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        Dr. W.   October 31, 2020 at 12:55 pm

        Well, is it true, or not, that folks who are hospitalized are alone, with only nurses and other hospital personnel there to comfort them? I personally have been separated from my 84-yo father with cancer, and the only time I see him is through phone “face time” (actually the android version, “video call”) when the hospice nurse has time to do a video call. In our neighborhood (we purchased this house last year, March), we never heard sirens. Our neighborhood is between the hospital and a major hotspot (a small town that has had mask burning ceremonies and where people successfully forced the town council to drop a mask mandate). Whereas between March 2019 and March 2020, we would hear a siren on average 1X per month, we now hear them on a regular basis, at least 1X per every 2 days, usually 1-2X per day. Just stating the facts. And yes, it is scary, especially since those in power either to (a) hide the data, or (b) distort the data to morph the statistics to fit their political agendas.

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        Can I call myself Dr. Too?   November 1, 2020 at 9:04 am

        *”THAT. Is reckless fear mongering, and it’s a shame because it undermines everything else you said.”*

        … Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Nothing exposes a crackpot better than shameless demagoguery.

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        N1111Z   November 6, 2020 at 9:07 am

        Yeah, more sirens. That’s very scientific.

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      Kevin Pack   October 31, 2020 at 1:23 pm

      A long post that is very unconvincing. France, Belgium, Netherlands, UK are reporting more cases than the entire U.S. The U.S. is now reporting less than half the cases per population as the E.U. The U.S. kept the curve manageably flat (which is what was prescribed from the beginning) and did so while having less than half the economic drop as E.U. Now much of Europe is back in lockdown.

      People can blame Trump but America is doing much better than other large nation or nation blocs.

      Don’t even look at South America where there are more deaths per capita and dramatically underreported numbers due to lack of testing resources and records. Canada is a very small population country that emerged from lockdown in the their mild summer; we will see their situation in January (Quebec province is back in lockdown, so they are not a success story even now). Whereas Americas outbreak was pronounced in the summer in the Sun Belt in indoor A/C weather.

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      James Bogash, DC   November 1, 2020 at 1:24 pm

      The answers always lie somewhere in the middle. While there is much to discuss in your article, I’ll just point out the herd immunity conversation. As a voracious reader of medical literature for over 2 decades, I’m very familiar with most aspects of delving into statistics as it relates to research. With herd immunity, those against seem to be dancing around the research on residual T-cell immunity, which may be present in up to 50% of the population. How else would you explain a sub-20% spread in households, where exposure almost absolutely had to occur? Have some residual T-cell immunity from exposure to other coronaviruses when the individual’s immune system tagged the antigen as a conserved segment of proteins would go a long way towards explaining this, and is supported by the research that has asked that question.

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    Pat   October 26, 2020 at 2:11 pm

    TR – Can we get a set of graphs that covers from the start of this pandemic – so we get the context of these bar graphs? It’s hard to find graphs that go out beyond 3 months.

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    Tara   October 23, 2020 at 8:22 am

    Yesterday I went and early voted. And, no exaggeration, this happened:

    A couple came in behind me without masks. A woman on line, with a walker, yelled out, “Go out and put on a fucking mask.”

    And the guy said, “No, no, I’m not.”

    Then the woman said to another guy, “And you put your mask up over your nose. That’s where all the germs are. I’m a nurse, I know. I see all the dead bodies.”

    So the guy said, “I’m not wearing it right? Then I’ll take it off.” And he took it off.

    Then the woman said, “Then stay away from me, you germy slobs.”

    Sigh.

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      TAL   October 23, 2020 at 10:29 am

      The case watching is maddening. There were only 2100 cases the day before, noone talks about that. The US has been doing > 1M tests per day for the past week or so, a couple times it was 1.2M. The positivity rate is in the same range as it’s been for months, 7-day moving average is 5.7%. Once again, more fear mongering, not an actual surge other than a few localized areas in Wisconsin and Illinois. Sooner or later people are going to understand how math works. For sure the virus is here, and has spread far and wide. There is no hiding from it, people are going to get it, just need to protect the vulnerable. Masks are not effective, but wear one if it makes you feel better. Lockdowns do more harm than good. It would be nice if Democrats would stop pushing back on the vaccine, because we know there are only two ways to mitigate the virus at this point. 1.) natural immunity, 2.) immunity by vaccine

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        Debi   October 23, 2020 at 12:33 pm

        I have to tell that I laughed a bit when you said that sooner or later people are going to understand how math works…….are ya sure about that? :} But I’m totally with you on the lack of an actual surge. Before this year whenever the media was “catatrophising” I just assumed that most people really didn’t believe it and people just moved on. This year I realized I was wrong about that. For example, I live in Florida so whenever they would go on about a hurricane that was supposed to hit I figured most people realized the real risks and if they are in an evacuation area they most likely left the area. Now I realize I’m wrong about that and people take them literally and are being scared to death. I’d love the media to find the middle and report on things factually.

        I would disagree that masks do not work. There is mounting evidence that while the virus is still spreading people are not getting as sick…which amounts to a vaccine like effect for whatever period of time the disease will allow immunity. Before now there was no way to ethically test if masks work for this type of virus…now we are getting real world evidence because we have no choice.

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          TAL   October 23, 2020 at 3:01 pm

          Debi, I would be willing to bend a bit on the mask thing if we all could agree that most of the cases are coming from family members under the same roof and people hanging out in a bar for hours. We know people are not wearing masks in their own home, and not when they are seated at the bar, so wearing a mask at Publix or Home Depot when you might be in close contact with someone for maybe a minute or two is not how this thing spreads – on the CDC website, not my opinion. I do agree that people are not getting as sick now, but that is a function of two things, 1.) the viral load which comes back to how long you were in close contact with someone that has it. Obviously being under the same roof, or even in the same bed, is going to expose you to a much higher viral load. 2.) we’ve learned a lot in 7 months, and there are better treatments and strategies as my wife (RN) has seen first hand.

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            MJ   November 5, 2020 at 11:32 pm

            Do we still say we are not seeing a surge?

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        Mike   October 25, 2020 at 7:52 am

        We know that the most likely spread of virus is through droplets in the air. Aerosols spread it as well but to a slightly lesser extent. For all people who say masks are ineffective or don’t work please try this at home. Take a sip of water and then hold a sheet of paper 6 inches from your face and cough with the water still in you mouth. Then put on your mask and do the same again. Compare how much water hits the paper.

        I understand wearing masks is not great but it is much better than being locked down.

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          OBR 54   October 29, 2020 at 12:01 pm

          It’s not so much whether masks are effective, but rather whether they make a significant difference in low risk areas such as shopping in a store. The risk of contagion in such places is so low as to make wearing a mask not necessary. And remember, exposure does not mean contagion. Per the CDC, contagion requires extended exposure to a symptomatic person in close proximity. 🙂

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          Bill   October 29, 2020 at 8:02 pm

          A better analogy is cigarette smoke. The particles are considerably larger than viruses so masking should be more effective for cigarette smoke. Consider an enclosed area with smokers puffing away: do you think that having them wear a mask, or you, the victim, having a mask, will make any difference? Do you think that you will not smell the smoke? Surgical or cloth masks will not protect you. Maybe they make people feel better??

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        Pam   October 25, 2020 at 7:58 am

        Well said. We all need to take a slow deep breath and lower the anxiety level that the MSM and Democrats keep trying to pump up.

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      Jay Blue   October 23, 2020 at 10:59 pm

      Why do so many people who claim to not care about the virus or say it isn’t that bad come on here and comment. Seems odd, “if you don’t car.”

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        Michael   October 27, 2020 at 11:47 am

        Because people apparently want to burn the village to save it, and that effects everyone…

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      Nancy   October 24, 2020 at 3:10 pm

      The same thing happened to us when we early voted. The young guy behind us didn’t have on a mask. It was almost an hour wait, mostly outside. He was the only one I observed with no mask. I got him to back away from us pretty quickly though. I coughed loudly (in my mask) several times and he kept his distance. Lol

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    JTK   October 22, 2020 at 2:38 pm

    10/22/2020 – So we have 5,489 new cases today. However, if you look into the data you will see that Florida conducted 97,984 tests yesterday. We have been averaging about 400,000 tests a week statewide. So I am supposed to believe that suddenly 97 thousand plus people decided to get tested yesterday? Seems fishy to me. Probably another data dump.

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      Janet   October 26, 2020 at 8:20 am

      To JFK. On the same page where the statistics are reported in between the statistical charts if you will look and read them they say things such as when there is an extraordinary number such as 97,000 that means that the day before the test weren’t reported so that day includes two days worth of tests so if you would read the rest of it instead of just peeking at the chart and coming to erroneous conclusions you would understand that it’s basically correct they say 44,000 one day and skip a day and then 97,000 the next day then that means it was about 44,000 those two days. So just read everything that’s very important in a statistical analysis.

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      Janice   October 28, 2020 at 1:08 pm

      Test reporting will vary for a few reasons. 1) test laboratories reporting may be delayed so the date of reporting is not necessarily the day they were tested. 2) testing for people without symptoms is voluntary; you will see that testing is always down on weekends; 3) when tests results are submitted, they must be validated and that could cause a delay; 4) as in any reporting, looking at a single day will be misleading, which is why they report trends and and 7 day rolling averages. Data collection, validation and reporting at the volume that covid requires is a challenging exercise.

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    ET   October 22, 2020 at 7:39 am

    Dear Journal, the hospitalization chart is missing, and a duplicate of the fatality rate is in its place. Thank you for this documentary work though, it is very precious.

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      Staff   October 22, 2020 at 7:58 am

      Corrected.

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    Moose   October 21, 2020 at 9:40 pm

    Did anyone notice that the deaths and hospitalization charts were identical?

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      Staff   October 22, 2020 at 7:58 am

      Corrected.

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    MIB   October 19, 2020 at 8:30 pm

    I don’t whether SARS-cov-2 was weaponized. Li Meng Yan, M.D. who allegedly worked there, said in September interviews that it was, with at least 3 genetic modifications, mainly in the “spikes” to make it a more effective cell attacker. Might be blowing smoke or not.

    Many people have been doing searches, reading through journal & pop articles. We’ve studied photos of people sneezing with & without masks. We’ve read of durations of infectiousness on various surfaces in normal light, under UVA, UVB, & UVC. We’ve read that peroxide (3%+) & ethanol (50%-70%) & isopropanol (70%) & chlorine are effective disinfectants for it but benzalkonium chloride not so much…that sometimes a higher percentage is less effective because it evaporates too quickly. We’ve seen the graphs, much like those here at TR, of new cases per day or week, comparing the shapes for Sweden, Denmark…

    We’ve been tracking the stats. We were told (I heard it on radio) that effective herd immunity would only be reached after 60% or more of the population had been infected or vaccinated. Months back, a survey test sweep reported about 21%+ of NYC residents were probably infected. After a lot of hysteria, CDCP is now saying only 7% of those tested are positive, only 2.46% of the USA population has been infected, 0.066% of USA population has death attributed (correctly or not) to ncov. Worldwide 0.524% infected, 0.015% death attributed to betacoronavirus. But the graphs seem to suggest some degree of herd immunity already. I know of no hospitals overwhelmed. Masks mostly work, eye-glasses mostly work, washing hands mostly works…nothing’s perfect.

    (I am not a doctor, not an epidemiologist. My mother & grandmother were nurses — surgery, geriatric… Several of my old school friends are docs, nurses or retired from same. I have done some microbiology lab work in middle school & uni, and read some biochem, microbiology, & a terrifying pathophysiology text reminiscent of F. Paul Wilson, Michael Crichton & … Mira Grant fiction.)

    I think the media has been drumming up hysteria all along from ignorance or political motives. But, as with arms, we need to respect the Wuhan & take reasonable precautions. Individuals differ over what’s reasonable. That’s part of what makes USA freedom great.

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      Robert   October 20, 2020 at 8:58 pm

      We shouldn’t be surprised that those who don’t fear getting covid would get tired of wearing masks for the 37% at high risk of getting covid badly. After all, we all care #1 about taking care of ourselves primarily. Nothing wrong with that, because it’s about self-survival. But please, don’t get within 20 feet of those wearing masks, since they only stop the larger droplets, and a sneeze or cough can go 19 feet unaided by blowing ac or heat blowers.

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    David Ingoldsby   October 19, 2020 at 9:07 am

    Amen to Susan’s comments!

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    Susan Riley   October 18, 2020 at 6:51 pm

    It is nature-have you heard of survival of the fittest? If you are old or health compromised stay home. Everyone personally knows their health situation. We live in America- we have rights and freedoms or at least we use to. That’s why I thank God everyday I was born here and call this great country home. I am older and don’t go out except when absolutely necessary. I wear a mask and wish others would too but if they don’t I avoid them-it is their right. This won’t last forever- be smart, be patient and quit blaming others. Take responsibility for your own safety. This isn’t the first pandemic and sadly face it, it won’t be the last.I would be more afraid of losing my freedoms than the pandemic. Studies show people wearing masks get COVID as well.

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      Terry   October 19, 2020 at 8:53 am

      Great points Susan, it’s amazing how only one cause of death seems to matter right now in the US, most of the other Countries have stopped reporting with the level of detail we do. They certainly aren’t going out of their way to code a death “COVID-related” when it’s borderline at best – most of the time they don’t do a PCR test beforehand. The average age of a COVID-related death, if you even believe the numbers, is 78, actually 79 in Florida per the FDOH. The average life expectancy of an American is 78.4.

      There is always going to be that one off story about a perfectly healthy 30 year old dying from COVID-related causes. Over 2.8M Americans die every year, a lot of them were perfectly healthy, but they died in a car accident, suicide, brain aneurism, rare mosquito-borne illness, snake bite, etc. I remember hearing about this perfectly healthy 16-year old dying in Florida from COVID. Then you find out he weighed 300 pounds and had a blood-glucose level of 1000. I checked with my wife who is a RN and she agreed that kid was not perfectly healthy, not by a long shot. Problem is, parents probably never went to a Doctor so in their minds their kid was perfectly healthy, so keep feeding him fast food.

      Time for Americans to wake up and take better care of their health and not penalize those who have been taking care of themselves all along. We’re making it worse and creating more far-reaching mental health issues, not just for the elderly, but our kids as well. My daughter is being treated like a leper in her high school so I’m THAT close to keeping her home because it’s creating more problems sending her in with all these protocols designed to keep the selfish Teacher’s Union safe.

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      Shan   October 19, 2020 at 2:22 pm

      Applaud your common sense Susan!

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      scott   October 22, 2020 at 3:52 am

      susan,

      while one appreciates your upbeat and accepting attitude, your acceptance of survival of the fittest could easily been seen as accepting eugenics and accepting others “freedumb” to go maskless as inviting their abuse of the social contract and validating their potential to harm you.

      having said that, for effect and reflection, dont believe those were your intended meanings.

      society and the social contract are often in direct conflict with the “natural” concept of survival of the fittest. in truth our society is all about the survival of the “un-fittest”. we dont leave babies with deformities or down-syndrome out the cold, we dont ask the old to go off and die (ok arguably some of us do), once their no longer producing. Do you think special needs programs or behavioral therapy or any kind of medicine for that matter is “survival of the fittest?”

      its not freedom to go maskless during a pandemic, particularly when a high percentage of people infected are aysmptomatic or presymptomatic. think of them as THOUSANDS of typhoid marys (though in fairness to mary its not been established clearly that she was as depicted)

      given that many “carriers” have lasting lung and heart damage, though admittedly not established as long term or permanent, their long term health impacts are still unknown. partly because long term studies of any mild respiratory illness have not really been studied.

      back to the social contract, it is VRY reasonable to expect others to reciprocate your masking particularly when its the law. And its well within the governments purview to require the citizenry to adhere to legal mandates based on best practices for preventing/reducing the spread of deadly pathogens.

      while its great and preferable when people voluntarily adhere to recommendations to protect themselves and their fellow citizens. when they don’t and disease spreads beyond control harsh legal enforcement is not only reasonable but demanded. sadly it will likely come to that, mostly because ignorance and misinformation.

      freedom is not free, part of the cost is adhering to law. freedom as some see it, in opposition to the laws that dont suit them and in line with disdain for the social contract, is anarchy. in fairness, since the most recent “law and order” government seems to feel anarchy and chaos are its guide, its not really surprising that a good portion of the nation is running around doing their best “cartman impression”…”i do what i want”

      basically, its not reasonable for wanna be sovereign citizens to act in abeyance of reality putting the health and safety of others at risk. so no, you really shouldn’t just accept thats its ok or normal for people to act with disregard for the safety and health of yourself and others, because even if you avoid them its just a couple links in the epidemiological chain back to you or someone you care about .

      applauding your live and let live vibe, but also saying, while we can and sometimes should make allowances for others eccentricities, just not when it impacts the health and safety of the citizenry as a whole as it does in this case.

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        Tara   October 22, 2020 at 5:45 am

        It is inarguable to say wearing masks/protective screens is the right thing to do. It’s safe, it’s considerate, it’s comforting, the list of good things goes on and on. There is no argument against it.

        But that still won’t make everyone do it, and the current pushback on those who don’t is not helping anything. “Non-maskers” will only dig in deeper when they’re being called selfish and harmful to the wiser, better “maskers”.

        We all know that ridiculing and demeaning is not the way to get good results from people, yet it’s being done anyway. Then communication breaks down, and people are just talking through each other. I think that’s where we are in this country when it comes to the mask debate.

        To your “current government” chaos and anarchy point, surely you’re talking about the Democrats who are applauding the anarchists who are creating chaos in their cities?

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        Mary Bangs   October 24, 2020 at 11:46 am

        There is no law saying you have to wear masks. Businesses and some states claim to mandate masks but you can’t just make something a law because you want to, it’s unconstitutional. Masks are not full proof. I’ve known a few people personally who have had COVID. 1 couple did not wear a mask. He had some achiness and fatigue. She was asymptomatic. Another couple wore their mask anywhere they went. They went very few places and if they did they sanitized their hands before and after and of course hand washing. They both got it. She was sick with vomiting, lost sense of taste and smell, fatigue. He was asymptomatic. My son works for a gym. Back in May his girlfriend felt sick at work. Before she left to go home they hugged, touching faces with no masks. She was sick with fever and fatigue for about 3 days and then worked out and caused her to throw up but she was fine after about a week. My son was asymptomatic and he was living with us. None of us either got it or we were asymptomatic.

        We are all either going to get it or throw it off. Yes people will die but guess what none of us are getting out of here alive. This country needs to get healthier but it’s a choice. All of this mask wearing is going to cause people to get deathly ill from a cold because you’re not building your immunity.

        Yes it’s scary because no one knows if they will have major symptoms or none. We should never have shut down the economy. The cure cannot be worse than the virus and it has been. They have children, who are the very least susceptible wearing masks. That’s crazy. People are working in these things for 8 to 10 hours. It’s all about fear. They can’t even count numbers correctly. Die in a car accident but you test positive, it’s a COVID death. The media lies about everything.

        I trust in God. I pray for protection but if I get it, I know He is with me through it. If He takes me home that’s a win. You realize they will never want you to stop wearing masks. They have you where they want you in fear and following like sheep. It will be wear your mask, there might be one person out there that has COVID and it could spread into an epidemic again. So as they put it this will be the new normal.

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      Robert   October 25, 2020 at 9:18 pm

      not as many people wearing masks get it as those who don’t. And they don’t spread it as much as the non-maskers, since the masks help contain and block the larger droplets.

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        Dr. Glenn Taylor   October 30, 2020 at 5:54 am

        AND local communities and states have every right to mandate mask wearing. It is NOT unconstitutional. They can write a law and you can be fined for transgressing. The Supreme Court will back them up. If you don’t believe me try walking around naked and see how long before you get arrested.

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    Paul Costal   October 18, 2020 at 4:54 pm

    I personally know 3 younger coworkers that contracted Covid at work. 1 in his 30s passed away 1 in his 30s was sick for over 2 weeks and 1 in his 50s sick for over 3 weeks and needed hospitalization. Even those that recovered still have lingering effects after months of being negative.

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    glenn d. taylor   October 18, 2020 at 4:53 pm

    My experience. I personally knew two people, ages 19 and 46, who died. I have had two staff members who tested positive, but like a lot of others the symptoms were mild. They are young, mid 20’s. My brother in-law, a firefighter, just tested positive a few days ago, and my sister in-law tested positive two days ago. So far, so good.

    You should buy a lottery ticket. The odds of knowing personally persons ages 19 and 49 who were fatalities are approximately 1:17,563,421

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      Jon   October 21, 2020 at 4:17 pm

      How did you calculate those odds?

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    Allen   October 17, 2020 at 5:55 pm

    My experience. I personally knew two people, ages 19 and 46, who died. I have had two staff members who tested positive, but like a lot of others the symptoms were mild. They are young, mid 20’s. My brother in-law, a firefighter, just tested positive a few days ago, and my sister in-law tested positive two days ago. So far, so good.
    After 7 months, I’m bringing my staff back to the office two days a week beginning Monday. Because this virus is so unpredictable, they will be required to wear masks, distance and follow other procedures. No exceptions. I never want to feel that a member of my staff, or the people they are in contact with outside of work, get sick or worse because I didn’t take precautions and require what I could.

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    mark   October 17, 2020 at 12:49 pm

    I am 46 and tested positive for Covid in August. I had minor flu like symptoms and a light cough. My youngest child had no symptoms and oldest lost taste for a few days but no other symptoms (both teens). My wife (also my age) had a cough for a week. We all tested positive.

    This was our experience.

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      Barry   November 16, 2020 at 9:34 pm

      And yours is the majority experience, a point often forgotten

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    Tara   October 16, 2020 at 3:36 pm

    Let’s give our personal experiences with Covid. Meaning, people we really know, not my boss’s mother, or my best friend’s brother’s friend type of stuff. People we have spent time with a few times a year for at least a few years.

    My experience is I know 4 people who had Covid. Ages 63 to 89. Each one ended up having zero effect on them after 2 weeks of diagnosis. So, what do 4 zeros add up to? One big, fat zero.

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      Nancy   October 16, 2020 at 4:38 pm

      They were lucky. I do believe the virus has changed though. I supposedly had covid earlier in the year and was extremely ill. It started with a high fever, cough, nausea and diarrhea. I went to the ER and said I tested negative for seasonal flu. The next week I went back with being short of breath. My oxygen levels were in the mid 80’s, I had pneumonia and a massive pulmonary embolism. I was airlifted to a larger hospital for a special clot busting technique. I was in the hospital for five days. Covid wasn’t being tested for at that time. I left the hospital with an enlarged heart and breathing issues. My cardiologist said I most likely had covid because of my symptoms and being negative for flu. At age 63 I feel blessed that I had great health care and got through it. Prior to getting sick I was at a theme park for several days where I probably was exposed. So to issue a blanket statement that no one gets it or gets through it easily is a huge disservice. I still have issues with stamina months later. I’m not saying we should hide in the basement but we shouldn’t ridicule those who take this serious and want to protect themselves and others. Stay well everyone.

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        Tara   October 16, 2020 at 5:27 pm

        I am not issuing a blanket statement. I issued my experience and I was quite clear in asking honestly for others’ experiences in an effort to understand the fear.

        I appreciate your sharing, as that is exactly what I’m looking for. I want to understand why this virus continues to be so in the forefront, while I have not personally seen why.

        I do have a relative who was hospitalized in early February with breathing issues and low oxygen levels and tested negative for everything, was given steroids and sent home with an asthma inhaler which has never been used, and has since tested negative for Covid antibodies.

        I just think there is so much we don’t know, and the fear-mongering is not right.

        So, anyone have any other other experiences?

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          Nancy   October 16, 2020 at 5:44 pm

          Thank you for your response. I didn’t mean to come off as a fear monger. I believe the msm has done a huge disservice about this virus scaring everyone. The emotional damage done by the fear is just as bad as the virus if not worst. Instead of shutting down and cowering we perhaps should have gone to mask wearing sooner. I go out and about living my life taking precautions.

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            Tara   October 16, 2020 at 7:31 pm

            Thank you, too. I’m glad you are feeling well!

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          scott   October 24, 2020 at 4:28 pm

          Tara,

          unfortunately, the 220 thousand plus persons who could best answer your question are unable to respond.

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            Barry   November 16, 2020 at 9:36 pm

            As are the 100,000 who died in 1968, and we didn’t shut down the country

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        Patricia   October 20, 2020 at 2:28 pm

        In 2008 I almost died of the flu, at the age of 50, but I didn’t.
        On September 27, 2020 my 88 year old mother died of a massive brain bleed, she also tested positive for COVID 19, her death was listed as COVID even though no one knew she had it until she was admitted to the hospital from her assisted living facility, she had no symptoms and no one else in the facility has tested positive, so excuse me but it’s no worse than the flu that killed far more!!!!!!!!

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          MIB   November 1, 2020 at 8:18 pm

          I almost died several times in my youth. What are the odds?

          Friday, CDCP reported the odds of getting the Wuhan in Florida at 3.682% aggregate, paying no attention to age, etc., & 0.078% of the Florida population have had the Wuhan attributed as cause of death, of those infected, 0.212% have died from it.

          I could understand the fuss, masks, hysteria, etc., if the infection rate were 65%, 75%, 80%, and if 30%, 40%, 50% of population had died from it. It’s not like USA cities have never struggled through such epidemics.

          They also started splitting out NYC from NY outside NYC, with the city being considerably worse. They should also report the whole state. Ditto for Florida, Miami-Dade. I like that TR has been tracking the county.

          Early on, in survey testing, NYC was up over 21% positive for infection; now they are reporting considerably lower rates. There are some questions about PCR amplification in later tests. Is 4x sufficient (higher risk of false negative), 40x too much (higher risk of false positive)? There is some range of exposure that healthy immune systems shrug off without cranking up, and a different range for hyper immune systems, & another for those impaired, e.g. from transplant rejection suppressors.

          At least the docs are using something resembling the scientific method to improve the treatment regimes.

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      Pitt Warner   October 16, 2020 at 7:13 pm

      My wife’s uncle, very smart/educated, died from Covid at age 92. 2 weeks ago. He was living in an ALF in PA, no family visitations since March. Family has shared a January 2020 video where he describes his Korean War service in the Air Force. No sign of any mental decline in 1/2020. Great American Success Story cut short by the WuFlu, IMO.

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        Tara   October 16, 2020 at 7:36 pm

        Sorry for you and your wife’s loss. He sounds like a wonderful guy.

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      Stacy Smith   October 16, 2020 at 10:23 pm

      I know about 15 people who have had covid. Most of them are young service workers – 25 to 35. For all but one of these, it varied between almost no symptoms (fever and/or aches, might have never known except for testing when fellow employees took ill) to a severe flu. One was very ill and took over two weeks to recover, most were less than a week.

      I also know two other individuals, one a 45yo man and his 70yo mother. He is somewhat overweight, she had a stroke a couple of years ago. They both developed pneumonia and were admitted to the hospital, quickly being transferred to icu. She passed away, he slowly recovered. She was admittedly not in perfect health, but she was unlikely to die this summer had she not been infected. I’m still grateful we did not lose him.

      Anyway, my personal odds look like ~6% compared to your zero percent. Obviously, the actual numbers lie somewhere in between.

      FWIW, I work in a lab and have regular contact with medical staff who can’t possibly avoid contact with infected individuals entirely. I have not been within several yards of another unmasked human in over six months. I am lonely and frustrated, but as of yet I am healthy – as are the relatives I can only contact and try to help support via phones and internet. I will continue this as long as I must, but I sure hope we are closer to the end than the beginning.

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        Ken   October 19, 2020 at 8:31 am

        I am so sorry that you have been put in such a place of fear. I am 58 and have been working ever since this has started. Out in the public every day and I know no one that has had this and I continue to live my life as I have always done. The only difference is I wear a mask. The N95 that is the only ones that really works. All other masks give people a false sense of security and most likely cause people to get infected because they think they have protection but don’t. You need to go out and live life it is the only life you have.

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      Jerry   October 17, 2020 at 9:03 am

      My 85 y/o mother had all the symptoms a few weeks ago but tested negative. She recovered after about a week. Thirty-something nephew got symptoms a week or so later and tested positive. He felt like crap for three or four days but was back 100% in less than a week. Because he’s a teacher he had to quarantine for 14 days.

      Wife or I fly nearly every weekend. We’ve been up and down the east coast from Florida to New Jersey a dozen times or more in the last several months.

      To my knowledge, none of my co-workers or their families/relatives have tested positive.

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    Alex   October 15, 2020 at 2:44 pm

    Given the following premises:
    Masks and social distancing efforts work to reduce spread of pathogens.
    Covid-19 is a real threat to the life and health to you and your loved ones.
    Florida is a stand your ground state where you can use deadly force against reasonably perceived threats.
    Refusing to wear a mask puts individuals at risk; it is like brandishing a weapon.
    Conclusion:
    There will be some dead, maskless covidiots and the assailant will probably serve no jail time.
    Whether or not you believe masks work, others do and feel threatened when you don’t wear one. Gives new meaning to: Mask it or Casket.

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      Edward Lyle   October 15, 2020 at 5:59 pm

      You have serious issues, and you should see someone about them soon. Remember to wear your face diaper when you do.

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        Mike   October 21, 2020 at 8:28 pm

        Edward, you sound Republican, and should face reality and truth here soon, but I’ll bet I’m too late. I’ll bet you even believe jet fuel can melt building structural steel thats been fire retardant treated. Building code since 1930 something. LEARN HOW TO READ AND EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!

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      Robert   October 15, 2020 at 8:52 pm

      We’re too fearful to be free anymore. This is a perfect example and explains why we’re in the process of giving up on America and choosing Socialism.

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      Jack Young   October 15, 2020 at 11:05 pm

      I think it’s odd that so many none mask supporters who don’t believe Covid-19 is a problem, check this site for statistics. I also believe people like Alex don’t do the pandemic any justice by posting ridiculous comments about people using stand your ground as justification to shoot none mask wearing people. It’s just silly. We must follow state and local laws and policies and when we don’t agree with those laws and policies for public and private places outside of our home because of safety concerns or impediments on our rights, we don’t participate in those places. Full disclosure, I believe this is an awful pandemic and we should all follow the CDC guidelines and we could quell it, but I also believe in laws and policies. So if people don’t want to wear a mask or social distance, I avoid them. I don’t dine at restaurants, but I don’t have a problem with people who choose to. We all make what we believe to be the best choices for ourselves. My choices have kept me healthy throughout this pandemic. Until we have FDA approved treatments and/or vaccines that significantly reduce the current percentage of getting seriously sick or dying, I will continue on my path. We should all choose our own path and respect each other’s choice, as long as it abides by the laws and policies within our cities, counties, and state.

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        Ken   October 19, 2020 at 8:45 am

        Yes follow the science. Every mask you buy tells you on the package that they do not protect you against the virus. Study from The WHO says 90 percent of the people that get the virus wear a mask and stay at home unless absolutely pessary to go out. I guess you think that if everyone wore a mask 100 percent would never get the virus. You need to think before you comment.

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      Alex   October 16, 2020 at 8:54 am

      My point was that it has been established that one merely needs to reasonably feel threatened in a stand your ground state to respond with deadly force. Whether or not you personally believe in the risk, it would be difficult to claim that others don’t. Your unmasked face can reasonably be conceived of as a gun (loaded or otherwise) and you can be infectious and not know it. A lawyer can feel free to chime in and show were I am misinterpreting the law. I welcome facts and I don’t own a gun (as I am not so fearful).

      We need a universal response to a virus that can/will affect us all. Masks and social distancing have been shown to work. Quarantines have worked for centuries. This is a come together opportunity that has become politicized. Your rights end when they interfere with mine. My right to life Trumps your right to go mask free. Calls for personal responsibility have failed. No one cares that God is watching and judging the harm brought by covidiots.

      Edward – I have a serious issue with people who would rather deny the current science and put others at risk of death. When I see people, I always wear a mask. Any time you interact with persons outside your household, you should too.

      Robert – We can be American and embrace what works in other countries. I would rather see more social programs that give Americans the foundation needed to have great careers and start business, etc. You can’t pull yourself up by your bootstraps when you never owned shoes.

      Jack – If scaring one more person to wear a mask and that reduces the spread to 20 more people, then it is worth it and any criticism that I receive. Maybe it made someone seriously consider the gravity of their choices. Also, it may allow Florida to revisit the stand your ground law and fix or repeal it.

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        Mother Road   October 16, 2020 at 10:07 am

        It should also be noted that If you know that you have been exposed and have reason to suspect you could be contagious and still go out and expose/endanger others you could possibly be personally sued by persons you infected. That goes for parents sending their kids to school and exposing other children and teachers when they have reason to suspect their child might be contagious. Bottom line keep your gun holstered and sue them. Threaten their wallet and I bet more will take their actions more seriously.

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    TONY   October 15, 2020 at 8:23 am

    Thank God you don’t do this kind of Tracking for the FLU.

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      Tara   October 15, 2020 at 9:27 am

      We have been turned into communities where people can’t socialize, need to stay away from each other, can’t go to work because work has been shut down or, if you’re lucky, you work from home and have no in-person human contact.

      In New Jersey, everyone is encouraged to report social gatherings to the police. If you fly into New York or New Jersey from a state they consider a “danger”, you have to fill out a form giving your email, phone#, airline, flight# and seat#. As of now, there are over 30 states on that list. This is done under the umbrella of contact tracing.

      What next?

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    Edward Lyle   October 15, 2020 at 8:10 am

    Eventually, everyone will catch the China Bio-Weapon virus (take-19) It’s simply a matter of time and yes; “science”. The good news is… about 99.5% of us will pull through. The others will fall victim to their comorbidity conditions exasperated by the ChiRona.

    Wearing a mask to protect yourself against a viral infection, is like wearing a t-shirt to protect yourself against a bullet. Wear one if it makes you feel better about yourself, but don’t expect miracles and stop pretending it matters.

    The China Virus is now a full-blown political campaign strategy exploited by the Demunists and supported by the Media PACs, and no longer has any real applications or concerns for public health. Andy “Auschwitz” Cuomo sentenced thousands of innocent people to death due to his homicidal malfeasance, and the Demunists and their Media PACs praised his leadership… let that sink in a bit.

    … carry on… oh, and wash your hands often.

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      Pitt Warner   October 16, 2020 at 8:57 am

      I really liked the style and most of the content of this post. So much so, I copied and pasted into a local fb group saying I found it on a comments page elsewhere. Naturally, a philosophical opponent immediately responded to the post. “Offensive”. “Incorrect”. “involving Holocaust”. I guess it’s more powerful than I thought.

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      NoTrump   October 18, 2020 at 11:20 am

      you are surely edward trump, not edward lyle.

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    Mike   October 13, 2020 at 6:56 pm

    A lot of discussion about masks and our response. Mask wearing is much more political here than in most other countries, though there are demonstrations all over the world.

    Found this info very interesting I think it shows that compared to most countries the US has learned least over time….

    https://www.axios.com/united-states-coronavirus-death-rate-a40eb02b-bf8c-4146-8ef2-3cfd6b22de5b.html

    We even lag behind Sweden. While everyone think they are going for heard immunity, gatherings of more than 50 people are banned indoors and outdoors. Compared to that our approach seems inadequate. Especially as we have examples shown on all news channels of large gatherings with most people not wearing masks. We should do something similar to limit groups of people.

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      Aaron Wood   October 13, 2020 at 9:59 pm

      Did you even read the link that you posted? Directly from the source:

      “Yes, but: Death rates are not static, as this study proves, and outbreaks in several European countries have taken a turn for the worse lately.”

      Come back in 5 years and you will have your answers to who had the best approach. Spoiler alert — There is a very real chance that every country ends up similar regardless of approach. So in the meantime ask yourself how much freedom you are willing to give up and for how long?
      I have my answer already and it is no more than I have already lost, and I will start fighting for those back as well. Quality of life is important too!

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        Mike   October 15, 2020 at 7:14 am

        I am not sure how death rates increasing now changes the data? Going forward it will change.

        I do not want to give up my freedom and that is why I am concerned that there is so much fighting against masks and restrictions on numbers of people meeting. In Sweden, which is touted for going for herd immunity, They limit gatherings to 50 people indoors or out and are trying to enforce it. Here we ignore the easy things and fight on partisan lines against a force of nature rather than using common sense.

        Quality of life is hugely important hence the need to take steps to slow this spread until a vaccine is here. I am absolutely against lockdowns but as long as the example of super spreader events is in the public eye people will not stop meeting in large family/social groups which will be a problem.

        Unfortunately if you read the international press (not just the translations that are given in US news) while not a complete laughing stock they are shocked at what is going on over here.

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          Terry   October 15, 2020 at 12:52 pm

          Mike, so sick of hearing how the US is the laughing stock for this or that from Europe of all places. Most of those countries were flat broke before COVID due to their Socialist policies, mainly due to healthcare and education. In any event, I just read a study done on the European nations pertaining to excess deaths. Most European countries have basically stopped reporting COVID-related deaths, partially because they aren’t testing as much to know if someone is positive before they died, and they certainly aren’t wasting test kits on people after they died – my India colleagues echoed that for their Country. The article also said England and others aren’t reporting because not everyone is reporting the same and some will look worse than others. Where have we heard this before. Instead, the only fair way is to look at excess deaths compared to previous years. While the US is around 11-12% excess deaths, not good, England, Wales, and Spain were at 37% for multiple months during the peak. This is why trying to judge our numbers against Europe, Russia, China, Iran, is absolutely futile and meaningless. The US Govt doesn’t control the news here, that’s for sure.

          Someone else said on this blog that we need to wait a few years for the dust settles to really evaluate each Country’s strategy, that is spot on.

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          Aaron Wood   October 15, 2020 at 10:10 pm

          Taking a snapshot of the data at a point in time does not give you the slightest clue as to what the whole story is. It absolutely matters a ton if the death rates are rising again in Europe and ours are declining. Check the numbers again in 6 months .. and then a year , and then 2 years. At that point you will have some idea of what might have worked and what might not have (although you still won’t have the whole picture). There is no scientific evidence that we can ever stop a virus like this through any means other than herd immunity. A vaccine could potentially help get to herd immunity faster but it is not guaranteed that we can actually develop one at all (look at the failure rates for seasonal flu vaccines).
          It is not a problem for me if people keep meeting in groups and even in large numbers (and you can’t stop them as both sides are doing it!). By the way, I absolutely do not care what the international press thinks, in fact I am inclined to believe that if they think America is taking the wrong approach then we are on the right track.

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            Terri Wonder   October 18, 2020 at 9:04 am

            Herd immunity without mass vaccination is a fantasy. That is like saying Black Death achieved herd immunity for the population of Europe. This concept of which you and others speak is magical thinking cloaking in scientized language. Enough already. It has cause the suffering and death of too many already. And this new virus does not behave like the flu. It is explosive in the way that it spreads in concentrated loads in crowds and unventilated spaces and then overwhelms hospitals and clinics. Simple precautions such as making, distancing, hand-washing, and limiting crowds, and reducing the number of people in spaces that are not well-ventilated can slow the transmission rate down. These precautions are beneficial such that even if people do catch the virus, they are not afflicted with a high viral load of it, making survivability more likely.

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      Tara   October 14, 2020 at 9:39 am

      That article is a perfect example of “Torture numbers long enough and they will admit to anything.”

      It conveniently leaves out the countries that started spiking after May 10. They justified it by calling the countries they selected “peers”, by finding a commonality between them. It also gives no mention to the size of these countries vs. the US. The northeast part of the country, which is bigger than Italy, spiked in March/April and it has followed Italy’s coronavirus pattern. The part further south spiked later, in July/August, along with several other countries. That article is meaningless.

      The new thing in this country now is to put ourselves down and believe we are the laughingstock of the world. Well, anyone who laughs at people dying is really a nitwit, so why give it a second thought?

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    Jon   October 13, 2020 at 4:23 pm

    Seems weve plateued, which is bad. Need those hospitalizations to keep going down or we’ll never get back to normal.

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      Pitt Warner   October 13, 2020 at 6:57 pm

      Middle class private business will get back to normal. The professional gov’t employees and pajama crowd of private employers/employees who can afford to work from home, may never return. Fine. I drive the roads of Orlando every day. Somebody is doing something b/c the roads are very busy. Maybe they’re just driving to drug store to replenish their mask supply, but I think it looks like businesses are operating.

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        Jon   October 14, 2020 at 12:50 pm

        Wearing masks everywhere, takeout, limited capacity, canceles events is not normal.

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    Curious   October 13, 2020 at 1:28 pm

    Checking in 6 months and a day since my first post in this thread. There was a time when people could agree that running on wet slippery concrete by a swimming pool was a bad idea. Democrats and Republicans and Libertarians and Socialists. People who loved the President [Ike] and people who hated the President. When info came on a TV network about running on wet concrete by a swimming pool – the solution always seemed the same: “Don’t do it!”

    Actually, many of us had the experience of observing someone running on wet concrete by a swimming pool – and the frequent results. Have a great day and good luck!

    This post provides an interesting 6 month narrative of responses and arguments. However, none are very persuasive about anything! And I know as little about virus response methodology and expected results as I did 6 months ago.

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    Gary   October 12, 2020 at 10:54 pm

    More fun with numbers…

    Of the 14 states now experiencing the highest Covid cases…9 of them do not have statewide mask mandates.

    The wearing of face masks is a proven deterrent to spreading the virus. But ONLY if everyone does it. A mask does not protect you. It protects everyone else around you. That is why states who understand this have mandated them. That is why municipalities that understand this have mandated it despite opposing governors.

    So when people decide that they don’t need to wear a mask they are really deciding the destiny of all of the people around them. Rather selfish I think.

    That is why you see the numbers go down when these mandates are followed.

    Miami-Dade county was the epicenter of Covid in FL with over 172,000 cases.

    On July 29th Miami-Dade hit its highest case rate of 5,564 per day. In response to this, the mayor imposed a mask mandate in mid July. By August 17 cases dropped to 713 per day. By Sept 6th cases per day dropped to 345 per day and has stayed that low through Oct 7.

    Coincidence?

    https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/florida/county/miami-dade-county

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      Terry   October 13, 2020 at 8:43 am

      Bunch of BS, case numbers are totally dependent upon amount of testing, period. The virus has already spread far and wide all over the Country, there is no hiding from it, either with a mask or under your bed. Broward County has had a mask mandate since April 10, yet, the cases and hospitalizations spiked in July/Aug and now in Sept/Oct have come down drastically. Did anything change? Yeah, we opened up more and went to Phase 2 and now Phase 3!. It’s called herd immunity and T-cells which is certainly the case in densely populated Miami-Dade, where Mom/Dad/Uncle/Aunt/Cousins/Friends, all live together in the same 2000 sq ft house.

      Cases are supposedly surging across the Country, that’s what you’ll hear lately, but of course the lamestream media conveniently leaves out that we’ve performed over 1M tests per day on multiple days in the past week – it was previously 800K-900K per day. Guess what, if the positivity rate stays the same, which it has at 5%, doing more tests means more cases. DUH!

      Hospitalizations are WAY down from their peak, and deaths/day, is now hovering around 700/day – which is still questionable given only 6% are actually dying FROM COVID-19. Joe Biden famously said if we wore masks for the last 3 months of 2020 we could save 200K lives. Great math Sleepy Joe. Even if 1000/day were dying, which they are not, that would be 90K total more deaths by end of 2020. Hard to save 200K lives with masks when only 90K, worst case, are dying to begin with. What a fear mongering idiot. When you have nothing to run on, you just make stuff up to scare people.

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        Patrick L Kitts   October 14, 2020 at 2:41 am

        I appreciate the lengthy and thorough explanation of your opinion. Unfortunately your snarky use of the phrase “guess what?”, completely compromises the accuracy and credibility of everything you said. There’s too much guess work going in as it is. We certainly don’t need to be encouraging people to indulge in more.

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        Dr. W.   October 31, 2020 at 1:31 pm

        The models are quite clear. I would suggest you view the IHME models at this page:
        https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

        before touting falsehoods, IHME model actually, has UNDERESTIMATED in many parts of the country in the past 9 months. Some of those underestimations were due to the fact that some states refused to put in mask mandates. Also see this Kansas study:
        Kansas study: https://ipsr.ku.edu/covid19/images/MaskMandateUpdate.pdf

        The falsehood that “hospitalizations and deaths are WAY down” is based on these simple facts (follow the logic):

        At the beginning of the pandemic, the only people that qualified for COVID tests were the seriously ill, e.g. seeking admission into hospital, or hospitalized.

        Now, with more widespread testing, there are many more “low risk” groups (younger, for example) being tested.

        Do the math, as an example:
        In an example day in Mar 2020, 100 people short of breath seeking hospitalization get tested. 100 are tested. In this example, 75 are COVID-positive. (100% were hospitalized).

        In Sept 2020, after schools open, and contact tracing dictates that classmates, teachers, other staff are tested, after coming in contact with a COVID-positive student.
        So in this example, 100 people are tested on a particular day in Sept 2020.
        Of those 100, only 10 were seeking hospitalization care due to shortness of breath, etc. Of those 10, 6 are COVID-positive.

        The remaining 90 were simply getting tests because of contact tracing. Of those, let’s say that 20 were COVID-positive.

        So in this September example, total 26 are positive, but only 6 of them were hospitalized. So now in Sept, only 6% tested were hospitalized, and 23% of all COVID-positive tests were hospitalized (6 people / 26 total COVID-positive).

        Comparing % hospitalizations (and deaths) of COVID-positive individuals between March (100% hospitalized) and now (23% hospitalized) is blatant DATA MANIPULATION.

        It is not due to “improved therapeutics,” which is what current administration is touting as the reason for such better improved death/hospitalization rates.

        Current “therapeutics” are extremely expensive and not available to most of us “po folks” and certainly, we would not have access to the early in disease progress hospital admission plus triple-pronged approach to attack the disease (dexamethasone+MAb+remdesivir).

        The typical person would not be hospitalized that early in the disease progression and certainly could not afford (even if they got special access to MAb treatment).

        Here are more details on the treatment which we as tax payers provided to the person who wants us all to go out and get COVID and not let it dominate our lives:
        Experts said Trump’s helicopter rides to and from the hospital, diagnostic testing and imaging, experimental prescription drugs, a private suite, round-the-clock care, and additional personal protective equipment required for outings would cost at least hundreds of thousands, and perhaps millions, of dollars.

        “I would not be surprised if it were to exceed $1m,” said Dr Bruce Y Lee, a professor at the City University of New York School of Public Health, whose recent work has estimated how much a course of Covid-19 treatment would cost an average American.

        “The majority of Americans don’t have the best treatments, whatever he said, because it’s about access,” said Lee. “The care that he received is available only to a very small minority of Americans.”

        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/08/trump-covid-treatment-health-insurance

        Last, comparison of COVID death rates, from the beginning of the pandemic, summarized at this page:
        https://www.cdc.gov/library/covid19/102320_covidupdate.html

        (about halfway down the page, COVID deaths per 100,000)
        Adapted from Bilinski et al. COVID-19 Mortality in the US Compared with that of other countries. Data on COVID-19 deaths from February 13 to September 19, 2020 (n?=?198,589 US deaths). All mortality rates are statistically significantly different from the corresponding US mortality rates (p?<0.001).

        If you would like some basic information on what p-values and Confidence Intervals (CI) are, see these pages:

        https://www.khanacademy.org/math/ap-statistics/tests-significance-ap/idea-significance-tests/a/p-value-conclusions

        https://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics-probability/confidence-intervals-one-sample

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      BK   October 13, 2020 at 8:53 am

      Hawaii spiked in cases after they implemented an outdoor mask mandate. Coincidence?

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        Terry   October 13, 2020 at 1:18 pm

        BK, good point, and looking at Hawaii’s current Travel Requirements, besides the ridiculous mask nonsense, they are still locked down tighter than a drum for travel from the Mainland.

        “Beginning October 15, 2020, a pre-travel testing option will allow travelers an alternative to Hawaii’s 14-day quarantine”

        So they are still quarantining everyone that lands for 14 days, and you know it’s easier to enforce that considering everyone has to enter via plane right now. Can’t blame those nasty non mask-wearing tourists.

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      glenn d. taylor   October 13, 2020 at 3:45 pm

      Sorry Gary. The wearing of masks is not a “proven deterrent” to the spread of covid. So far we only have anecdotal inference; correlation does not imply causation. There isn’t a single evidence-based study proving the efficacy of masks (although one large study is underway in Denmark). This is not to say that the wearing of masks is a bad idea, or that the wearing of masks won’t eventually prove to be useful. But we should be precise when utilizing scientific language. And yes, I’m a physician.

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        Gary   October 13, 2020 at 11:13 pm

        Glenn,

        No, I am not a physician.

        However, on July 14 the CDC did say,

        “We are not defenseless against COVID-19,” said CDC Director Dr. Robert R. Redfield. “Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus – particularly when used universally within a community setting. All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities.”

        I consider “slow and stop” as a phrase that means “deterrent”

        Is your position is that you don’t trust the CDC?

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      glenn d. taylor   October 14, 2020 at 7:06 am

      My post was in regards to masks. I feel it’s counterproductive to criticize the governmental agencies at this point. But yes they have made some mistakes. My point was that the wearing of masks has turned into a religion and my fear is that the public has been led to believe that if you’re wearing a mask it’s ok to ignore other more proven methods of deterrence.

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        Gary   October 14, 2020 at 8:02 pm

        I don’t think that the public is in any danger of being misled “to believe that if you’re wearing a mask it’s ok to ignore other more proven methods of deterrence.”

        The fundamental issue on this website seems to be a disbelief that masks help at all OR that yes they do, but I don’t need to wear one because its my right not to.

        If you know some other very easy to do method to stop the spread that people will adopt without hesitancy PLEASE share it.

        Because the path we are on now will get us nowhere.

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    Edward Lyle   October 11, 2020 at 4:48 pm

    Eventually, everyone will catch the China Bio-Weapon virus (take-19) It’s simply a matter of time and yes; “science”. The good news is… about 99.5% of us will pull through. The others will fall victim to their comorbidity conditions exasperated by the ChiRona.

    Wearing a mask to protect yourself against a viral infection, is like wearing a t-shirt to protect yourself against a bullet. Wear one if it makes you feel better about yourself, but don’t expect miracles and stop pretending it matters.

    … carry on… oh, and wash your hands often.

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      Edmund Zavada   October 12, 2020 at 12:05 pm

      Let’s take your points one by one.

      “China bio-weapon”: COVID-19 was not man-made. Furthermore, the strain that is infecting the US evolved in Italy, and came over Europe. This is why Trump’s policy to limit some (but not even most) travel from China was ineffective.

      “Good news… 99.5% will pull through”. We have a population of 300+ million people. 0.5% of that is 1.5 million Americans who don’t “pull through”. That’s certain not “Good News” by any reasonable definition. And, many of those who “pulled through” will suffer long term health and cognitive impairments.

      The primary reason to wear a mask is not to protect yourself from the virus, it’s to protect other people from you in case you have it and don’t realize it. This is particularly important with COVID-19 because people who have it are most contagious *before* they show any symptoms.

      But hey, you got the washing your hands often part right. So you’ve got that going for you.

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        Nancy   October 12, 2020 at 4:17 pm

        Reports have come out saying covid-19 is man made. So until we know with absolute certainty you can’t really make a blanket statement that it isn’t.
        A mask does protect the wearer. When I was hospitalized the medical staff didn’t wear a mask. When it was known I was contagious with the flu they then wore a mask, not asking me to wear one. So that argument is false that it doesn’t protect the wearer. I believe it was not pushed at first due to a mask shortage.

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      Mike   October 12, 2020 at 12:13 pm

      Please explain why South Korea does so well if it is not the masks, that everyone wears as normal, that are not making the difference? Remember we got the first case of Covid on the same day as them……

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        Terry   October 12, 2020 at 12:30 pm

        Mike,

        Because most of the Asian countries have some “memory” immunity built up from all the viruses they’ve dealt with over the years. Malaria, Dengue fever, Typhoid, H1NI, etc. Lots of cases when they test of course, but mortality rate is much lower – reference India. Japan only tests when someone is actually sick enough to go to the hospital – similar to why New York is not showing nearly as many cases as they’ve actually had.

        It also doesn’t hurt that most of the people over there are not morbidly obese with diabetes and hypertension issues.

        This virus is teaching Americans a valuable lesson, that you need to eat better, exercise regularly, and see a Doctor BEFORE you are very sick,

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          Dr. W.   October 31, 2020 at 1:48 pm

          My friend, you need to learn a bit more about the biochemistry/biology involved in human immunity. See this page, basic immuno lesson:
          https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-human-body-systems/hs-the-immune-system/a/hs-the-immune-system-review

          Immunity is achieved by highly specific protein-protein interactions (antibody-antigen). The proteins on the outside of the malarian plasmodium parasite (not a virus) are nothing like the spike proteins on the outside of the SARS-CoV-2 virus (the virus that causes COVID19).

          Dengue virus is in a totally different family of viruses than SARS-CoV-2, in the Flaviviridae; genus Flavivirus.

          Even SARS disease virus (a coronavirus) is significantly different in its spike protein amino acid sequence, that antibodies developed against SARS will not interact with SARS-CoV-2 antigens:
          https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(20)30098-7/fulltext

          Specifically, the argument that Asian countries are doing so much better (per capita) than US is that they have been exposed to similar viruses has been disproven in one of the most definitive studies at the link above. A few details:
          “a seropositive rate of 2·73% (53 of 1938 serum samples) in SARS-CoV-2 enzyme immunoassays”
          and
          “There are seven types of coronaviruses that naturally infect humans. SARS-CoV-2, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV), and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) can cause severe acute respiratory illnesses. By contrast, the four endemic genotypes, including 229E, NL63, OC43 and HKU1, usually only cause mild upper respiratory tract infections, and thus can be classified as low-pathogenic human coronaviruses. In total, there have been just over 10?000 cases of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV. Because of their genetic relation with SARS-CoV-2 (appendix), the generation of cross-reactive antibodies is not surprising. However, as the population exposed to these two coronaviruses was very small and the outbreaks occurred some years ago, their effect on the global COVID-19 pandemic would be minimal.”

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      G   October 12, 2020 at 3:30 pm

      Do you tell the doctor that he doesn’t need a mask before operating on you?

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        Tara   October 12, 2020 at 8:36 pm

        I think the pushback on mask-wearing is coming from people getting sick of the media fear-mongering. I believe the media has gotten so bad in this country, it’s sickening.

        I don’t watch ANY American TV anymore except for football when my husband has it on. After Sunday’s game I didn’t turn it off quick enough and caught the first couple of minutes of 60 minutes. How low that show has sunk! It used to be a favorite, but after 2 minutes I was disgusted by the partisan nonsense and ridiculous spin. And of course they just won’t stop with coronavirus. Yes, it’s very contagious, yes, it will be very harmful to some. Enough already, it’s not the only game in town and there are plenty other deadly illnesses. So many are living in fear of this virus that odds are will not be that harmful to them. Yes, we all know it will be harmful to some and no one is saying too bad for them.

        I have a friend whose son was just diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer at 28 years old. You know how he feels about constantly hearing about this virus that does no harm to most people while his son is battling a disease that is devastating for everyone who gets it? This whole thing is just plain sickening on so many levels. People blaming it on Trump because they hate him, people self-righteously judging people on mask-wearing (and yes, most of them are hypocrites, from my experience), people afraid to leave their house.

        I’d take my chances with this virus any day over listening to all the talk about it. I’m getting old now. There are worse things older folk have to worry about, like heart issues, Alzheimer’s, stroke. Eff this virus, I’m sick of hearing about it. Everyone I know who got it, it was a big, fat nothing. *knock on wood*

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          Dr. W.   October 31, 2020 at 2:04 pm

          Death rates per age group:
          Age group All Deaths involving COVID-19 Deaths from All Causes
          45–54 years 11,093 130,088
          55–64 years 26,525 297,499
          65–74 years 45,015 450,532
          75–84 years 55,089 548,255

          https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

          https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-73777-8

          From January 26, 2020, through October 3, 2020, an estimated 299,028 more persons than expected have died in the United States.** Excess deaths reached their highest points to date during the weeks ending April 11 (40.4% excess) and August 8, 2020 (23.5% excess) (Figure 1). Two thirds of excess deaths during the analysis period (66.2%; 198,081) were attributed to COVID-19 and the remaining third to other causes†† (Figure 1).

          Although more excess deaths have occurred among older age groups, relative to past years, adults aged 25–44 years have experienced the largest average percentage increase in the number of deaths from all causes from late January through October 3, 2020. The age distribution of COVID-19 deaths shifted toward younger age groups from May through August (9); however, these disproportionate increases might also be related to underlying trends in other causes of death. Future analyses might shed light on the extent to which increases among younger age groups are driven by COVID-19 or by other causes of death.

          The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations. First, the weighting of provisional NVSS mortality data might not fully account for reporting lags, particularly in recent weeks. Estimated numbers of deaths in the most recent weeks are likely underestimated and will increase as more data become available. Second, there is uncertainty associated with the models used to generate the expected numbers of deaths in a given week. A range of values for excess death estimates is provided elsewhere (7), but these ranges might not reflect all of the sources of uncertainty, such as the completeness of provisional data. Third, different methods or models for estimating the expected numbers of deaths might lead to different results. Estimates of the number or percentage of deaths above average levels by race/ethnicity and age reported here might not sum to the total numbers of excess deaths reported elsewhere, which might have been estimated using different methodologies. Fourth, using the average numbers of deaths from past years might underestimate the total expected numbers because of population growth or aging, or because of increasing trends in certain causes such as drug overdose mortality. Finally, estimates of excess deaths attributed to COVID-19 might underestimate the actual number directly attributable to COVID-19, because deaths from other causes might represent misclassified COVID-19–related deaths or deaths indirectly caused by the pandemic. Specifically, deaths from circulatory diseases, Alzheimer disease and dementia, and respiratory diseases have increased in 2020 relative to past years (7), and it is unclear to what extent these represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths or deaths indirectly related to the pandemic (e.g., because of disruptions in health care access or utilization).

          Article
          Open Access
          Published: 06 October 2020
          The age distribution of mortality from novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) suggests no large difference of susceptibility by age

          We estimated the parameter which describes the age-dependency of susceptibility by fitting the model to reported data, including the effect of change in contact patterns during the epidemics of COVID-19, and the fraction of symptomatic infections. Our study revealed that if the mortality rate or the fraction of symptomatic infections among all COVID-19 cases does not depend on age, then unrealistically different age-dependencies of susceptibilities against COVID-19 infections between Italy, Japan, and Spain are required to explain the similar age distribution of mortality but different basic reproduction numbers (R0). Variation of susceptibility by age itself cannot explain the robust age distribution in mortality by COVID-19 infections in those three countries, however it does suggest that the age-dependencies of (i) the mortality rate and (ii) the fraction of symptomatic infections among all COVID-19 cases determine the age distribution of mortality by COVID-19.

          In conclusion, the contribution of age-dependency to susceptibility is difficult to use to explain the robust age distribution in mortalities by COVID-19, and it suggests that the age-dependencies of the mortality rate and the fraction of symptomatic infections among all COVID-19 cases determine the age distribution in mortality from COVID-19. Further investigations regarding age-dependency on the fraction of infections becoming symptomatic is required to understand the mechanism behind the mortality by COVID-19 infections.

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      Johnx   October 14, 2020 at 6:02 pm

      No, actually 80% of us will not. Why? How? Unclear. But most don’t even get it, even when exposed

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    Who Cares   October 10, 2020 at 3:55 pm

    I’ve learned from traveling for the last two months in Montana, Idaho, Utah, Massachusetts, New Hampshire that those who wear a mask of fear of getting Covid will gladly take it off around me (not wearing one) because I am a friendly gal who looks very organized and clean, will get a test because their insurance (your tax dollars) will pay for it (not due to symptoms/around anyone who has), will take it off on a plane to eat snacks provided by the carrier – screw Covid it’s snack time! We wear them in restaurants to order the food but take them off to eat…hahaha…it’s all counter-productive if you truly are scared of getting it. Point being – Covid is like religion. People obey the parts which work best for them and make excuses for the parts which don’t. If you’re scared – stay home and stop spreading your hypocrisy!

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      Finn   October 11, 2020 at 3:59 pm

      You’ve realized—it’s all fear theatre, not scientific strategies.

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    Gary   October 2, 2020 at 7:20 pm

    Well, the self-proclaimed leader of “no masks” now has Covid and is now in the hospital.

    While we will all pray for him to live, my only hope is that he will change his belief (as evidenced by EVERYONE around him NOW wearing a mask as he was taken to the hospital) and stop the idiotic rhetoric that wearing a mask is not patriotic.

    He bears a huge responsibility in creating this situation. A true leader would now suck it up, admit his mistake, and unite us in protecting each other.

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      Tara   October 3, 2020 at 5:02 am

      I thought he said wearing a mask IS patriotic, months ago.

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        Terry   October 3, 2020 at 7:50 am

        Yes, he did say that, and he also knows that wearing a mask should be a choice, not a mandate in a Country founded on freedoms. Just like people have the choice to eat or drink whatever they want, never exercise, never see a Doctor until they are sick, and drive recklessly. Yeah, and I’m pretty sure there are plenty of positive cases for people who are very diligent about wearing masks. California and Illinois have been very strict about it from the beginning, yet both are still leading the way in new cases, kinda like Broward County was until herd immunity took hold.

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          Bill   October 3, 2020 at 9:27 am

          Herd Immunity requires at minimum 50% of a population have a virus. Broward County currently has an est 80,000 cases and a population est of 1.9 million. That’s not herd immunity.

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            Terry   October 3, 2020 at 1:06 pm

            Not true, by a long shot. Read up on what’s already happened in major cities across the globe with antibody studies. More like 20-25% pending the age of the people and activity level. Case numbers are only being reported for the folks who’ve been tested, not the millions who never got tested like in NYC during the peak.

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            Nancy   October 3, 2020 at 1:52 pm

            Don’t forget everyday they told us it’s at least ten times the amount of people who have positive results. Every single news cast said today’s total is 3,000 (as an example) but really is at least ten times that. So by your own totals that would put it at 800,000 positive cases at least. Unless the media was lying just trying to makes things look worse. So herd immunity may actually be closer than you realize.

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          HV   October 3, 2020 at 5:48 pm

          People may have the CHOICE to drive recklessly (as you wrote), but they do not have a legal RIGHT to that behavior. You have the choice to drink Clorox too if you like, but that says nothing about the “rightness” of your choice for Society IF others must pay for your hospitalization. There are laws to protect the public against reckless behavior that can create potential harm to the public. You may be ABLE to drink and drive and feel that is your Choice, but in a country with a Rule of Law, irresponsible choices that creates harm to others is NOT a Right. In order to have Law and Order, you must first have Law.

          Your Choice to infect me does not override my Right not to be infected by you.

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            Tara   October 4, 2020 at 8:34 am

            Unfortunately, it is insane to expect every human being to do the right thing. The mask-wearing debate is just another cause of divisiveness during these turbulent times. If I were very worried about contracting this virus, I would stay home. I certainly wouldn’t go out and put my life in the hands of every screwball walking the streets. (present company excluded, of course). Finding someone to blame wouldn’t give me any solace.

            Personally, I believe it needs to run its course.

            New York and New Jersey have gone out of their minds. I have relatives up there that are literally spouting the most nonsensical things I have ever heard them say. The latest: Trump is much sicker than they are telling us, no one is in charge and as such we are in danger of a military strike since we are just sitting ducks here, especially considering how the whole world knows we are all idiots.

            I don’t think I can take another 4 years of this. 🙂

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            Terry   October 4, 2020 at 7:35 pm

            I see, no mention about people making bad choices with their diet and lack of exercise, it becomes my problem to protect them, as well as my own family. Sound like a lawyer waiting to sue someone because you got sick. Feel the same way about the flu and every other pathogen that’s afflicted the globe from the beginning of time? Did they not kill enough in their hey day to wear masks then? Face it, we’re only talking about masks now because it’s an election year, Joe Biden still has no other plan to combat the virus other than masks that he knows he can’t mandate, and 46% of America has TDS.

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            Ken   October 19, 2020 at 8:51 am

            Then stay at home or wear your fool proof mask.

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          Justin Knott   October 4, 2020 at 12:49 pm

          Thank you so much. I’m so sick of the FORCED MANDATES and people so blatently UNEDUCATED that they think A mandate is A LAW. Hello????? Something has to go thru do process to be put on a docate to be voted for becoming A law in which thier has NOT BEEN.

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          Furst   October 5, 2020 at 10:22 am

          Yes Terry – it is every American’s right to drive drunk too. It’s a free country – and they’re only endangering themselves – just like not wearing a mask. That makes perfect sense.

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          scott   October 6, 2020 at 8:12 pm

          Terry, as with every other time you have posted, you are once again a font of misinformation. while it is true freedom, from taxation without representation primarily, is a founding principle of this nation. What you believe is freedom, “guberment aint tellin’ me what to do”, is anarchy. Freedom in the USA is governed by uncountable federal, state, local and municipal codes. They are generally not intrusive on basic freedoms that our society as a whole, and more specifically the wealthy, have consensus on. The “government” actually does in some cases require people to have medical examination or treatment or frequent drug testing for various jobs and professions, the require physicals participation in sports, and they can quarantine you or require masks among a host of other requirements during a declared epidemic.

          to address your other examples, yes the government can regulate what you eat and drink (and they do), special taxes on soft drinks, banning import of foods, regulate foods out of existence. some examples https://www.eatthis.com/banned-foods-in-america/

          driving recklessly, we”ll call that a non example.

          broward does not have herd immunity, if anyone did it would be some new york city locales, but its not the case their either for 2 reasons minimum 60% likely higher previous infections a
          AND because reinfections already documented.

          just fyi- florida has the LOWEST per capita testing in the country, less than 1 per thousand residents, with a positivity over 10% (despite the statistical magic FDOH uses to reach their below 5% number)

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            Terry   October 8, 2020 at 12:31 pm

            Scott, I could easily argue that the way New York and some of these hardest hit States in the NE are not testing correctly either. Florida is including positive antigen tests, they are not. So while we can argue whether that should be included or not, because having antibodies is actually a good thing, for sure New York would have been reporting much higher than 1% positivity because we all know how many people already had the virus there – NJ, Conn, and Mass as well. Florida is including every negative test but not every positive test. Again, debatable, but from a controlling the spread perspective does it really help to report every positive test for the same person? Thank you for letting me know you’re still positive 10 times? Reporting all negatives seems to be more logical, because it indicates less infections.

            Per the WHO, 10% of the World population has had this thing, and they made this point because they were trying to show that 90% of the World is still vulnerable. Fine. But you are also showing that the actual case mortality rate is 1M dead over 760M infected, which amounts to a .13% (that’s point 13) case mortality rate. And guess what, hospitalizations and deaths are decreasing due to better treatments and younger, healthy people getting infected – but not sick.

            For the 1000th time, many scientists have disputed that you need 60-70% infection rates to achieve some sort of herd immunity.

            Sweden must be laughing their collective a$$es off at Europe and the rest of the World. Their decision not to lockdown, not close schools, and not to mandate masks, and trust their people to be adults, is looking smarter by the day. But then again, they are not in an election year

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          Rusty   October 7, 2020 at 2:08 pm

          First of all herd immunity only works with the body is showing immunity from a virus. So far not one patient has had any long term immunity. In fact people are getting it again. Also herd immunity, with our population would kill3 to 6 million Americans. This is not like any other virus . The kicker is that long term heart & lung damage is showing up in adults & even children that never had symptoms! So, we should try to avoid catching it & our children should be protected! Masks, social distancing. We don’t have enough testing or contact tracing because our Gov wants to keep numbers down! Masks are not a political statement! That is the reason we are doing do much worse than other countries because people are told they have a right. All because some people think it makes you look weak. Covid makes you look weak too! Broward county has not achieved herd immunity! Stop listening to Dr atlas! He is a radiologist! No experience at all! In fact I’m starting a class action for the bad medical advice that has killed loved ones.

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            bk   October 9, 2020 at 10:43 am

            Check CDC. Not one single documented case of reinfection in first 90 days after Positive and a single case of some sketchy traveler from China who allegedly got reinfected after having it early on. There are plenty of experts who think that “case” is bogus based on the information put out. So 0 reinfections. stop watching CNN and do your own research. The misinformation in these posts is frightening… since people want to cite CDC and misstate CDC. Read every published, double blind, peer reviewed reviewed study (Fauci claims only those count) – masks do not work to stop influenza virus. These all occurred over last 15+ years BEFORE Covid19 (not panic research?) with no outlier research in support masks doing any good. Like Fauci said (lied I guess) until he didn’t. Even WHO says masks have so little impact. So does CDC in July and Sept:
            ” In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25).

            A piece is crap paper mask from China stands between you and a deadly virus? Feeling lucky? people fumble and touch their masks making them an infection source says CDC too.

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            barry   October 9, 2020 at 1:47 pm

            Regarding BK’s comments. It is correct that randomized double blind studies with a control are the gold standard but many have serious flaws. You can’t blind wearing or not wearing a mask. Compliance, adequate followup, differences in subjects exposure between populations and differences in other behaviors that affect risk but most importantly an insufficient sample size can influence outcomes. An underpowered study has a high probability of failing to identify a difference. The very wide confidence interval in the report you posted is indicative of underpowered studies. It is correct that high quality evidence proving masks are effective is lacking. However WHO, the CDC and the vast majority of infectious disease specialists urge the use of masks because the bulk of evidence indicates that they have a very high probability of reducing risk.However they are not totally protective. Equally important are distancing, frequent hand washing and avoiding indoor spaces with large numbers of people for prolonged periods of time. The CDC has removed the article you refer to from its website.

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            Ken   October 19, 2020 at 9:01 am

            This is not true. Harvard just released a study that shows getting infected again is very unlikely. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/22/health/covid-antibodies-herd-immunity.html

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          Prof. M. E. Brumley   October 7, 2020 at 5:28 pm

          Broward County does not have herd immunity. To date, there is no place on this planet that has herd immunity. Please refer to CDC and Dr. Anthony Fauci’s information on herd immunity. Broward County lowered their Covid numbers by adhering to protocol: masks, social distancing, staying home, washing hands frequently. According to the CDC and NIH, the two top immunological organizations in the world, masks are the single-most important way to stop the virus. When people exercise their ‘freedom’ to not wear a mask, they are depriving others of their freedom to stay alive, stay healthy, keep their job, their house, their car, their life. Any freedom we have in the U.S. is to be exercised responsibly. Unless non-mask wearers build a Mask-free Pale of Settlement and stay within its walls, their ‘freedom’ to not abide by CDC guidelines ends where the safety and life of others begins. WE are not ‘free’ to run a red light at an intersection because it may harm or maim others. We are not ‘free’ to drive without a seatbelt, or drunk, or while texting, because it may harm others. It’s exactly the same. We are not ‘free’ to go maskless because it may harm others. Americans are not, historically, a nation of selfish narcissists. This is a recent disease infecting the nation along with Covid-19. It’s called irresponsible, selfish self-centeredness,

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            scott   October 22, 2020 at 2:42 am

            ken,

            july 22 is not just released and to be clear, there is at least one genetically documented case of reinfection in nevada. there are several other cases that have been reported but because of lack of retention of initial tests samples, not as clearly verified. but they tested positive months after original confirmed illness. genetic test proves a later and earlier strain infection.

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        Barry   October 4, 2020 at 1:50 pm

        Herd immunity requires 50-90% of a population to be immune depending on its infectivity. Covid is highly infectious and will be closer to and probably higher than the 70% average. Furthermore it is not clear how long immunity lasts. Documented cases of second infection are being seen with a mutated virus, the reason we have frequent colds and influenza returns every year. We need a new influenza vaccine combo because of the ability of some virus’s to adapt by mutating. Those who suggest herd immunity from spontaneous infection are using magical thinking.

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        Robert   October 5, 2020 at 2:05 pm

        He said nothing like that. Trump loves stupid people he said that once.

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      Gary   October 4, 2020 at 2:02 pm

      There is no “cure” and there never will be. Case in point are all the ineffectual influenza vaccines that year over year miss the mark and result in tens of thousands of deaths. We have never “cured” a novel virus and the outlook on this one is equally as slim. All the draconian actions including masks are only aimed at “slowing” the spread. Just by using the term “slowing” the “experts know there is no way to stop it. We all need to get on board that this thing is here to stay and we need to learn to live with it as humans throughout history have done. The illegal attempts to curtail freedom are simply power grabs by the ones who peddle fear.

      Governor DeSantis please address these unconstitutional counties like Hillsborough, Pinellas, Dade, etc that openly brag about continuing to cite citizens awaiting the expiration of the suspended fines so that they can screw it populous at a later date. Just look at St Petersburg, FL mayor Rick Kriseman and trusty side kick Kevin King who were caught red-handed fomentingviolence in opposition of your order.

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      Robert   October 5, 2020 at 2:09 pm

      Why does the Florida Dept of Health let moronic politicians lead them. When their job is to protect the citizens of this state? It is obvious those employed at the Florida Dept of Health value their jobs more than the lives of the citizens who they are supposed to protect.

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      Lee   October 5, 2020 at 9:54 pm

      So what’s your story now that he’s fine? Everyone is eventually going to catch this virus. We can’t live our lives in a cave to avoid a freaking virus. It’s not the first one we’ve ever encountered but it is the first one that was used as a political weapon.

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      Gary   October 6, 2020 at 5:25 am

      Well, based on his last tweets, any behavior or messaging about protecting each other with masks and social distancing ain’t gonna happen. Be safe out there.

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        Gary   October 6, 2020 at 6:05 pm

        And now that his last tweet states that its just like the flu, those that listen to him will believe it. I am saying prayers for all of my friends and family who wear masks but will be endangered by people who listen to his false claims (some have died) . These people who protect others by wearing masks will further withdraw their presence and money from the part of the economy that needs it most.

        If there was national leadership to actually validate how important masks are to protect each other and people believed it and practiced it, we could actually have safe gatherings, safe restaurants, and safe schools without hiding and without shutting down.

        Masks work, social distancing works. It would go a tremendous way to getting Covid under control while we find a vaccine. Yet, he will NEVER make that a national message. It sounds weak, its unpatriotic, and it denies your civil liberties.

        His father never endured weakness in any of his sons. And its a curse that he pays for every day. Except now, WE are paying for it with our lives.

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          bk   October 9, 2020 at 10:53 am

          Fauci says the President listens and has not sent out contrary guidance. God Fauci is the Gold Standard. Harris said the other night she would take the vaccine if Fauci said Okay, but not Trump. So stop your TDS meltdown… If you figured out that Trump is saying and doing the “wrong thing” then why can’t everyone else? BTW, was Sweden wrong? Those with TDS have it in their DNA! 48% have TDS so you should hope Trump does the opposite of what you claim is “right” because you and your TDS disciples will always do the opposite of Trump or, in your world, the “right” thing. Don’t over complicate this.

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      Don   October 7, 2020 at 2:14 pm

      Sweden has less than 200 new cases per day and they did absolutely nothing to prevent the virus. This thing just needs to run it’s course. When you blame Trump for a random virus, you obviously have nothing else to complain about. MAGA!

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        Terri Wonder   October 18, 2020 at 9:15 am

        Not true, Sweden understood that the virus spread in crowds and unventilated areas. The country imposed all kinds of limitations on mass gatherings.

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      Kevin   October 7, 2020 at 4:32 pm

      @Gary Spain enforces masks with citations even outdoors and currently has more cases per capita than US. He said they make sense in high risk situations. They believed their White House testing regime made those gatherings lower risk. They probably did, but if you are meeting with that many different people you are bound to transfer contagious genetic material. Always could do more but there is then also always a cost.

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      Kurt   October 9, 2020 at 1:03 pm

      Unfortunately we do not have a true leader. We have babies in the whitehouse

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      John Smythson   October 9, 2020 at 2:08 pm

      I don’t remember him saying it was unpatriotic to wear a mask but we should all just use the good common sense most of us were born with and not run around in a panic which is what I believe the President was attempting to project. Stay safe and healthy.

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    jay   September 28, 2020 at 1:36 pm

    Is there any data on the ages of those hospitalized? Of the 2100 hospitalized today there may be many long term cases that have been there for weeks, which means the hospitalization number will go down much less rapidly on its way to zero.

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      Mike   September 28, 2020 at 7:52 pm

      I agree. Could simply add a “serious” or “ventilated” variable to the chart too. “Serious” could be hospitalized more than 1 or 2 weeks. Not matter how you analyze it, Florida has obviously gone way down.

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        Lar   September 30, 2020 at 11:42 am

        Regarding deaths, it depends on what you mean by “”way down” and down from when.
        Little solace here.

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          Jenny   October 1, 2020 at 12:39 pm

          Exactly! People seem to think that cases are down and you’re in the clear — I think your deaths have maintained a pretty steady level. You’re 5th in the nation in deaths. In no way is that good news.

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            Terry   October 1, 2020 at 5:37 pm

            Florida had a big backlog of “probable” COVID-19 deaths to process, a lot in Miami-Dade, so that is the why the death numbers still look high, except on weekends of course. As everyone knows, unlike the rest of the world, in the US there is a financial and political benefit to putting COVID-19 on the death certificate as a contributor – look up Medicare and COVID-19 reimbursement. Good news is if you drill into the actual date of death, you will the numbers are way down for the past month so I expect the backlog will be cleared soon.

            Florida is floating between 12 and 14 in terms of deaths per population, so for the third most populous state, with probably the highest percentage of elderly, we’re doing better than most big states.

            #factsvsfear
            #herdimmunity

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      Terry   September 29, 2020 at 7:42 am

      I refer you to the FAU COVID-19 tracking site at:

      https://business.fau.edu/covidtracker/data/florida-data/

      Does it really matter how long they’ve been in the hospital when the current ratio of COVID-related to everything else is currently 2,095 compared to 41,617? This ratio was 6116/41531on 7/10, so clearly a lot of people are occupying hospital beds throughout the year, but a lot less for COVID-19-related illnesses.

      Is the latest goalpost move for going back to normal that we have to have zero people hospitalized for COVID-19?

      This virus has taught us that a lot of Americans are not in good shape, don’t eat right, never excuse, and certainly don’t see a Doctor before they are actually sick. Hopefully a wake up call.

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        Edmund   September 29, 2020 at 10:28 am

        Yes, Terry, that’s right, zero people hospitalized with COVID-19 is the goal.

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          Terry   September 30, 2020 at 8:32 am

          Not a realistic goal with any virus, new ones get introduced, some cooked up in a lab in Communist countries, others from birds and animals. How long as the flu been around, with a flu shot available every year? Goal is to come up with better treatments and minimize deaths. We’ve all learned two valuable lessons, 1.) Americans need to take better care of their health and not rely on others to keep them from getting sick, 2.) locking down caused WAY more collateral damage given we knew who was most vulnerable very early on.

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        TG Greene   October 7, 2020 at 11:51 am

        The most interesting stat on that site (to me) is the CFR (case fatality rate). It has dropped dramatically in every age group since April. That would seem to suggest to me that even if you get COVID, the hospitals have very adept at treating the virus. That’s a very important statistic, obviously. At one point, AIDS was statistically a death sentence. Now the death rate is extremely low in comparison and there have even been cases where patients were effective cured. That’s not to say that death is the only important stat, but is certainly the highest.

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    BeReal   September 28, 2020 at 8:27 am

    Thank you Debi!!!

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    Cool   September 27, 2020 at 5:38 pm

    So called “herd immunity” for flu is impossible without vaccinations. Probably impossible for any virus.

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      Finn   October 11, 2020 at 4:01 pm

      It’s not really about herd immunity. It’s about the vectors of the disease burning out.

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    V.F.R.   September 25, 2020 at 3:21 pm

    Gov. DeSantis is now following DJT’rump’s lead – by adjusting Fla’s COVID restrictions to enable a COVID19 Contamination-Level, in Fla., of approx., 60% of our population. Herd Immunity theorizes that when 60% of a given population is contaminated with a pathogen- it will have the epidemic “under-Control.” Collectively speaking – Herd Immunity in the US will require contaminating approx. 200. Million of us, with COVID 19. Using a conservative 3% death- rate – more than 6.Million Americans would die from COVID19. If the “Herd Immunity” process is the government’s choice to deal with the COVID19 epidemic…Then, the Life-Threatening” aspects of this choice should be made clear to all of us. The “Herd Immunity” process …now under-way….has been very discretely kept from the public.

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      john page   September 26, 2020 at 8:50 am

      How can you post that drivel? The most important metric that cannot be argued against is the current hospitalizations. Look at that figure. Trending down. New infections, trending down.

      You sound like you would be happier in a communist state where you have to be told what to do and how to do it. Wear a mask! Social distance! don’t go to work! etc. etc. etc.

      How about exercising a little personal initiative? If you are afraid for your safety, stay inside, wear an n-95 mask, mitigate your risk. Your conspiracy theory about “herd immunity” is also known as people going about their daily lives in a way they choose based on their own risk profile.

      Having come from a former communist country, and happy that I escaped, I will advise you to go and take a look. Maybe it suits you. They are always looking for new suckers to subjugate.

      But I guess your TDS is so bad that you are too far gone. You connect anything that happens in our society to the guy in the Whitehouse. Get a life. No one controls my success. I prospered under Bush, Obama, Trump and will prosper no matter who is there. Its called hustle. Those that blame their life’s problems on others and believe in doom and gloom conspiracy theories are pathetic.

      I really feel sorry for you. Living in the most prosperous place and time in man’s history and all you can see is doom and gloom.

      I gotta go. I’m taking my wife and kids out for breakfast, then enjoying the beach, life, and everything else that’s good going on around me.

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        RG   September 28, 2020 at 9:19 pm

        Your comments are the reason why the United States has the most deaths in the world. The USA is a joke and the whole world knows it.

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          Tara   September 30, 2020 at 4:38 pm

          John page, I love your attitude. I agree, let’s do our own thinking and not be led by the BS that gets repeated over and over. Intelligent people all over the world know that.

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        Mike   September 28, 2020 at 10:09 pm

        Surely the most important metric is deaths? That does not seem to be trending down. I really hope hospitalizations continue downward but worry that moving to phase 3 will reverse that. It would be great if it doesn’t,

        Just a question on masks, how do people explain the good performance of the likes of South Korea and other Asian countries where masks are considered the best way to protect yourself and others? The does not compare well….

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          John page   September 29, 2020 at 10:46 pm

          Its been well publicized that Daily deaths are reflective of a backlog. The daily death toll on this publication is not when people actually died, but rather, when death cert was filed. I.e a death recorded today may actually be of a person who died in july, but only got to be reported today. Please be at least a little educated before you join the adults table at thanksgiving.

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        Terri Wonder   October 18, 2020 at 9:26 am

        “New infections trending down.” Did I read that correctly? Have you been on the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Tracker this week? You must be looking at the graphs on your computer upside-down. Positivity rates have increased just in the past five days. Florida’s jumped from 11.7 to 12.3 percent. Wisconsin’s rate is 22.9 percent. Nevada, 17.3; Iowa, 20.2. Hospital ICUs in rural areas are maxed out and they are filling up in urban areas, too. I hate to break it to you, but normal colds and flus don’t upset hospital and clinic operations the way this virus does. This is going to be a long winter.

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      Steven Emm   September 26, 2020 at 9:34 am

      You are mistaken on the 3% death rate. The survival rate is 99.97% and as new cases increase while deaths decrease the survival rate will increase.

      Did you not listen to the 2 hour press conference Gov. Desantis did the world renowned experts which concluded that our society is clearly entering into herd immunity?

      A common misconception amongst the Left is that new cases equals deaths. The data clearly shows that this is not correct. And before somebody accuses me of not caring about people, I am being oppressed with a mask mandate by an out of control county administrator here in Pasco County named Dan Biles. There needs to be rational balance in how the government infringes upon people’s personal space and personal choices. Not to mention the harmful effects of wearing face coverings from oxygen deprivation and CO2 poisoning. These are very real effects from wearing masks and no one in the government provides warnings to the general public while at the same time demanding that people wear them. And then of course there’s all the karens out there who harass people who don’t wear masks. They don’t seem to care at all that people like me or harmed by wearing masks.

      What someone does to protect themselves is a very personal choice and we are long past the point of simply excepting government dictates from power-hungry bureaucrats!

      Stop spreading ignorant fear and get your facts right. Just read the data!

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        Debi   September 26, 2020 at 1:51 pm

        “Stop spreading ignorant fear and get your facts right” It’s interesting that this is the last line of your statement seeing as how you want to make us believe that wearing a mask is somehow harmful to everyone’s health. There is no evidence for this. The easiest way to refute it is to simply look at doctors and nurses who are wearing N95 rated masks for hours on end and have no breathing side effects.

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          Steven Emm   September 26, 2020 at 5:26 pm

          Let me educate you Debi, SURGEONS AND NURSES DO NOT WEAR N95 MASKS – THEY WEAR SURGICAL MASKS.

          There is a substantial difference. Specifically, N95 masks are mostly used in manufacturing used to solely to protect the wearer (mostly from dust particulates in the air). The huge check valve on the mask is the dead giveaway. Surgical masks are intended to protect those around the wearer.

          N95 masks were developed to deal with tuberculosis , which is a bacteria, which is 1,000 times larger than a virus. Viruses sail through the membrane of both N95 and surgical masks.

          Yet another Leftist who is ignorant of the data and basic medical facts on the attack. Ahhh, the arrogance of the young.

          And I was only speaking for myself not everyone as falsely claim. I recently had sinuplasty surgery to correct a severely deviated septum which made wearing a mask very difficult to breath. Wearing a mask post surgery is even more difficult due to swelling. I have a legitimate medical exemption from my doctor. However this does not stop you busybody karens from harassing me everywhere I go.

          It’s gotten to where I don’t go to the stores hardly at all anymore. Are you happy? Does it please you to know how people like you curtail me freedom? And what about the lost revenue for those businesses? The ripple effect of harm from masks is significant. A Marxist wouldn’t care about these things, what about you?

          However, now that you bring it up, wearing masks which are mandated by local governments IS harmful to basically everyone due to hypoxia and/or respiratory acidosis.

          After wearing a mask for less than 1 minute and the oxygen content inside the mask falls to 16%. The Federal minimum is 19.5% (the ideal is 20.5%). This is where hypoxemia begins to set in. If you exert yourself or simply wear the mask for a prolonged period of time, hypoxia sets in which can damage organs, reduce one’s immunity and at the very least you will experience fatigue.

          CO2 poisoning is just as serious resulting in respiratory acidosis. CO2 regulates the pH balance in your blood. This is when the pH in your blood becomes acidic. The body senses the change and if it is too much you will pass out. The unconsciousness regulates the breathing and brings the pH back to normal.

          So Debi, you are wrong you are callous towards people who are in fact harmed by mandatory masks. You may be able to tolerate masks but a LOT of your fellow citizens CANNOT.

          You are also wrong about your claim that there is no evidence that masks are harmful. You just have look just a little and you will find it. Dr. Russell Blaylock’s article in Technocracy.com cites several long term studies which prove 3 things:

          1) masks are proven to be ineffective in protecting the wearer from viruses.
          2) masks cause hypoxia and/or respiratory acidosis to varying degrees in almost everyone who wears a mask for almost any length of time.
          3) masks are largely “theatrical comfort” for the wearer or those around the wearer.

          Be considerate of others when demanding that someone attach a mask to their face.

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            Sally T   September 26, 2020 at 10:25 pm

            This is all baseless rhetoric.
            Nothing you said is backed up by science. As Obi Wan Kenobi said “who’s the more foolish the fool
            Or the fool who follows him?

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            Steven Emm   September 27, 2020 at 3:38 pm

            Sally T, I love living rent free in your head!? I’ve presented so many facts that you are actually rejecting basic, commonly known, household level, scientific and medical facts.

            You’re going to give yourself a ‘roid hyperventilating about this (that gives you respiratory alkalosis, ain’t science fun?)

            In true leftist fashion you immediately resort to name calling and ridicule. No data, none of the time. You’re only mad because you know I’m right so you come up with a 2nd grade insult to discourage people from listening to me.

            You can’t shout me down Sally. People are listening to me because what I’m saying is indisputable scientific fact AND COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

            You might want to duct tape your head now because this will blow your mind. My family has taken zero precautions to avoid COVID-19 since this started back in February. We don’t wear masks, we shake people’s hands and (oh the humanity!) we actually hug people.

            All we do is take zinc and quercetin once a day and we have a magic force field around us. Unfortunately it won’t protect us from ignorant people who wear masks while driving alone in their cars or attack us for sharing knowledge but there’s always hope. We simply refuse to participate in your pandemic.

            You are free to ruin your life avoiding the bogeyman of COVID-19 but stop trying to ruin mine. I have thoroughly educated myself on this virus and I do my best to educate everyone that I can.

            There’s no reason for the vast majority of to live in fear. If someone is high risk then they need to isolate themselves. If you have a suppressed immune system, pulmonary problems, cardiovascular problems, diabetes or other complications of obesity then you need to quarantine yourself because you could die if you get this disease.

            But the rest of us which includes more than 99.97% of the population are going to be just fine if we get COVID-19. We can do our civic duty and participate in herd immunity.

            We’re going to go and have fun and live our lives in point and laugh at fools who insist upon being terrified by this and try to drag everyone else down with you.

            Instead of buying politically fed rhetoric you will find Tranquility in learning what I have learned. Stop ridiculing people like me and just inform your self. I promise you Sally, there’s a lot more happiness in knowledge than there is in the fear that you practice in.

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            Gem   September 30, 2020 at 9:40 am

            Steven Emm, I use a face shield which does not impede my breathing at all and I have never been stopped from entering any establishment (in a county with widespread mask mandate and usage). This alternative could give you more freedom.

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            Debi   October 1, 2020 at 10:09 am

            There’s so much here to disagree with I’m not sure where to start…and not to be a jerk but I seriously do not have time to do it.

            Suffice to say that doctors and nurses do wear N95 masks for hours on end if they are working with a contagious disease. There are probably other conditions in which they wear them as well, but since I do not pretend to be an expert I’m not sure what those may be. However, no one is asking the public to wear N95 masks…ever. They’re actually not even asking the public to wear surgical masks. They’re asking them to wear cloth masks. There is no evidence masks are harmful to the general public. I know that there are people have been given exemption from this or feel they need exemption from it, so be it. If 98% of people are wearing them it’s all good.

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          Kiki R   September 30, 2020 at 8:20 pm

          Speaking as a physician, I can tell you that we do wear N95 masks for certain procedures. At on of the hospitals I work for, an example set by hospital governance is “aerosolizing procedures.” An exampe would be giving a patient with COVID, whose lungs are faling, an endotracheal tube. Then I would have to wear an N95 mask fit to my face (we get re-fit every year or if we gain or lose weight). N95s protect me from your disease, but not necessarily you from mine. Here’s the Mayo clinic’s brief education about masks for you: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
          If wearing a mask made O2 levels fall, then how do we do surgery for hours on end? The shortest surgery I have participated in was ~2h. My colleagues often do surgeries >12 hours. Somehow, even when wearing masks, we survive.
          And a deviated septum? No problem, wear a mask and breath through your mouth. That’s how we survive surgeries when our allergies are acting up.
          Also, the death rate in the USA, dividing deaths by cases is ~2.9%. IF we assume only 50% of actual infections get tested (which is reasonable, as ~50% of the infected don’t have symptoms) then the death rate in the USA is ~1.4%. That is not good. ~210 000 dead Americans so far. That’s 3.6 times as many as died in the the Vietnam war. That is not good.
          And ignorance like yours is part of the problem. Masks work, period

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        DegreeD White Guy   September 27, 2020 at 4:08 pm

        Problem is youre picking and choosing false data. One that will contribute to deaths. Continue to feel good about your denial for convenience when people die. Probelm with DeSantis is he backed a President who ran a lousy economy pre covid now he needs to help with the distraction.

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          Steven Emm   September 28, 2020 at 12:39 pm

          Keep telling yourself that DegreeD White Guy. Like a good Lefty you attack me but you can’t disprove anything I’m saying.

          C’mon lefties, you’re not sending your best. Put a little effort in and do some research and prove me wrong. It should be easy based upon how boisterous you are.

          You can’t because your enemy is the facts – not me. But you can’t attack the facts, facts are an immovable object for you. So you try to distract others from the facts which discredit you by attacking me. It’s like a cat with catnip, you are so easy to draw out and manipulate. Ultimately you discredit yourselves meanwhile I successfully expose good people to useful information.

          As for people dying, giving high risk people a false sense of safety by telling them that a mask will protect them is what will kill people. But you can’t stop yourself from using the heavy hand of government to force everyone else into your WOKE hellhole of having wear a mask for fear of being fined. Making a few people’s problems into everyone’s problems will not help the few. It weakens all of us.

          High risk people need to isolate themselves. For you high risk people out there, pay attention to this. Look at me, feel free to wear a mask but that is not why the government is forcing everyone to wear a mask. The government’s primary purpose is source control.

          They say that the mask will keep a healthy person who is infected from infecting someone else. The data about masks nullifies this. Heck, it says right there on the box of every mask sold that “this mask is effective in preventing viral infections.” These Leftist liberals will tell you I’m lying. DON’T TAKE ANYONE’S WORD FOR IT. Just look at the box your mask came in.

          Viruses sail right through masks. Go ahead and wear the mask but don’t think you are protected. Again, the mask is for source control. Not to protect the wearer from viruses. Don’t take unnecessary chances. COVID-19 is very contagious and cell division is aggressive. High risk people should wear your masks and hunker down until herd immunity takes over. Let us healthy people get this disease and build herd immunity which will ultimately protect everyone.

          Yet another indisputable fact is that all of us are going to contract COVID-19 sooner or later. As individuals we can build immunity over time with repeated small exposures or we can contract the full blown COVID flu. At this point our society has enough people who have immunity so that we are entering herd immunity. Herd immunity IS WHAT PROTECTS THE WEAKEST AMONGST US.

          For some bizarre reason you Lefties reject this basic fact. Oh yeah, that’s right! You have Trump Deranged Syndrome. I know politics is sport for you guys but, there really is more to life than Orange Man Bad. Take a lesson from Dave Rubin. Find tranquility in accepting facts which disagree with your political beliefs.

          And now we are at the crux of all of this aren’t we. It’s always Orange Man Bad! You’re in such extraordinary, self defeating denial that you can’t recognize that we had the greatest economy in the history of mankind before COVID.

          Donald Trump simply took the government out of our way and let the people loose and we built the greatest economy ever. Just like we did under Reagan (you might want to borrow some of SallyT’s duct tape). And we’re going to do it again. Join us! Participate in prosperity instead of kicking rocks out in the parking lot.

          I’ll leave you by teasing you with the words “cycle threshold” or CT. Understand how this works with PCR testing and how the CT for most PCR testing should be below 30 cycles but how most positive COVID-19 tests are cycled 40 times (very few are as low as 37 times) resulting in a very high rate of false positives. A New York Times article found as many as 90% of PCR tests are false positive. Imagine feeling healthy and being forced to quarantine for 6 weeks because of false positives. All of that lost income and time with friends. All of the unnecessary arguments after being cooped up for all that time. All for nothing.

          You Lefties wonder why we are done listening to your WOKE nonsense? It’s because you’ve overplayed your hand and ripped off the mask revealing your true socialist agenda. Don’t let me stop you, go ahead, attack me. Call me names. Anything but dispute the facts, right?

          My work here is done so I’ll leave you to feast upon each other. But for God’s sake, stop fighting facts. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

          All the best,

          Steve

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            Steven Emm   September 28, 2020 at 12:44 pm

            Correction: EVERY BOX OF MASKS SAYS THAT IT IS NOT EFFECTIVE IN PROTECTING FROM VIRUSES.

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            Justin Knott   October 4, 2020 at 1:18 pm

            The funny part is these idiots ATE IT LIKE THANKSGIVING TURKEY when Fauci BLATENTLY said the masks CANNOT protect you from the Covid stop wearing them. Then turns around with the A lie and says “Oh we only said that so Frontline Drs could have adequate masks!” Really Fauci because Dr.s get thier masks from Safeways and 99 Cents only stores lol get outta here with that garbage we all know they get thier medical equipment from TRUSTED medical supply companies. See the LEFT love the always used tactic of truth first followed by LIES and control. All the rich out there traveling partying doing what they want because they know its BULLSHIT. It’s really sad to me that they couldn’t have just said please wear them if you are feeling sick or gain any sick like conditions. Instead it’s been them playing MIND GAMES with American lives that has lead to people being judgmental PRICKS that use the MASK HYSTERIA to be assholes to people. I live the same way as you. I wash my hands and keep up on the zinc etc and have been in better shape then ever before. Intelligence is not an EVERYBODY thing I guess lol. Bless you and your family and may God bless you and your family.

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            Kate   October 30, 2020 at 7:23 pm

            I may be wrong, but I think Steve’s zinc pills could be making him a little grumpy. Is that a thing? Or it could just be that not everyone agrees with him.
            My husband has asthma and diabetes so we don’t have the luxury of flaunting our “freedom” all over town.

            As long as the virus is out of control, we can’t spend money on things like travel, entertainment, dining out, etc. We’re stuck at the house. Money that could be going into the economy is going in the bank instead. And to friends who are having trouble paying their light bill because business is bad.

            It is what it is. If it’s worth the risk to you to get out there, great. But until everyone feels safe doing so, the economy can’t get going again. And the Governor assuring me that a hospital bed will be available for my husband if he needs one isn’t a great reason to get out there. It’s actually kind of insulting.

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          Mike   September 28, 2020 at 7:58 pm

          I actually think Steven Emm has made some really good arguments and I am sitting here with my popcorn and beer waiting for a response to him beyond ObiWan quotes and an idiotic analysis of our economy prior to the shutdown. Good try though DegreeD White Guy. Now, since your “DegreeD”, offer up some data to rebut Steven’s argument… Guessing I will need to go get more beer before you respond.

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        Mary   September 28, 2020 at 8:35 pm

        Thank you! Couldn’t have said it better myself??

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      JohnX   September 26, 2020 at 3:23 pm

      80% of the population is immune. We know that from the quarantined cruise boat Diamond Princess. Of the 20% that is not, 50% of that amount is asymptomatic. Of the remaining 50% of the 20%, only .03, or 3% have died. So theoretically the most that would die even if the entire country was infected is around 1 million. But that isn’t going to happen due to improvements in treatment anyway. It’s just a worst case scenario.

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      Martin B   September 26, 2020 at 8:41 pm

      I was for strict lockdowns in the beginning. The curve was flattened. It’s been six months now. It is now time for personal responsibility. If you have preexisting conditions, are obese or live with someone under these conditions use your brain and do not put them at risk.

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      Terry   September 27, 2020 at 4:30 pm

      Wow, 3% death rate, thanks for the scientific analysis Don Lemon and Rachel MadCow. Amazing how many liberals, including the Governors of NY, NY, and Conn conveniently leave out how many positive cases they actually had during the peak in Mar/Apr/May. The antibodies studies in the Bronx and other metro areas show that MILLIONS actually had this thing already, but that was when only people sick enough to be hospitalized got tested. This is why their death per case ratio is so much higher for the Northeast States than everyone else. You would think they would want to clarify that considering the Tri-State area accounts for almost 25% of the total deaths yet only 9% of the total US population. This would also drastically reduce the nationwide 3% ratio to less than 1%. Now anything that moves can be tested as many times as they want which is coincidentally why the three most populated States lead in cases – DUH!

      Scientists in places like Mumbai, Stockholm, and London have already concluded that due to activity levels of the younger part of the population, sheltering of the vulnerable, as well as the T-cells, some level of herd immunity occurs at as low as 25% which is certainly where most of South Florida is at now. Really glad our esteemed Governor has followed the Science and used common sense despite all the politics and fear mongering.

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    Aaron   September 25, 2020 at 2:00 pm

    There seems to be quite a bit of confusion over the difference between the numbers that John Hopkins is displaying and the numbers being reported by FDOH. Here is what I have found so far.

    1. John Hopkins does not include people who have tested negative multiple times even if they are different days. This helps explain why their total number of tests is less than half of the number of tests reported by FDOH. This is the wrong approach! The purpose of testing is to find community spread. To leave out the negatives just because the person tested negative in the past leaves you with numbers that don’t accurately reflect the actual spread of the virus.

    2. John Hopkins does include people who are repeat positives! Again if our goal is to find community spread then I believe this is the wrong approach as we are now saying how many people have Covid, not whether it is spreading or not. There can be debate whether there is value in showing the repeat positives but not if you are leaving out the repeat negatives.

    3. This I only found evidence of in AZ but it is possible that Florida is the same. If a test lab only reports their positives and leaves out their negatives then the state will exclude all information from that lab, while John Hopkins will include it. I don’t think this is happening any more and not in Florida but it is a possibility.

    Points 2 and 3 are both debatable and probably only a small change in the numbers but point 1 is very important and I strongly believe that John Hopkins is using the wrong approach. The reasons for testing are varied but a big one is to know community spread, where are the danger spots and where do we need to send resources if there is going to be an outbreak. The consistently falling hospitalizations (75% in 2 months) makes a lot more sense when looking at the FDOH numbers and the way that they report.

    Resources:
    https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus_coverage/the-reason-why-there-are-so-many-conflicting-covid-19-positivity-rates-for-arizona/article_83fa2d80-dc33-11ea-8d38-17fac0e3733a.html

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-md-maryland-coronavirus-positivity-rate-hopkins-20200817-zoepxdjlxbazdm6kabrjehbemq-story.html

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      scott   September 25, 2020 at 11:19 pm

      If i test 1000 people, 10 times each over the month- like say for instance the people in the nba bubble- or i test 1000 people who have tested positive the standard 2 times for negative results to be cleared as they do for hospitalized and quarantined persons. counting more than 1000 initial tests for the nba as negatives or counting ANY of negatives for disease clearance would skew the results to make it appear that positivity is lower. This is exactly what florida has done. They have done this while reducing actual testing to among the lowest per population in the country 1-0.9 tests per thousand. florida apprx 22 million , tests 22-24k per day.

      just as a note- the lowered hospitalizations is due to prevalance of spread among younger persons, as this shifts outward over the coming days and weeks you will see hostilizations and deaths increase. with bars open 100% expect a tsunami. you can thank desantis.

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      Kathy   September 29, 2020 at 7:00 am

      Shouldn’t John Hopkins use this same algorithm for NY/NJ/Ct?
      I believe for these states they are counting negatives. The result of this manipulation of data is completely misleading and bogus. If John Hopkins was a private company manipulating data to project a certain outcome, the fbi would be investigating them. Lastly, do you know of any lawsuits aimed to stop this? Thx

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      Terri Kay Wonder   October 18, 2020 at 9:58 am

      Johns Hopkins excludes serology and antigen tests but not PCR tests because these tests categorically do not measure the same thing. It is considerable a more scientifically valid dataset even though it is smaller. The Florida DOH dataset includes the proverbial “apples and oranges” in its dataset and muddies the waters. The Johns Hopkins website gives an explains for why it does what it does.

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    Mike   September 24, 2020 at 7:49 pm

    Positivity rate should be checked with John Hopkins. Can anyone explain why it is so much lower with the DOH?
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/florida

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      Terry   September 25, 2020 at 1:10 pm

      The amount of tests being performed each day on the Johns Hopkins site is about 3x less than what FDOH is showing. They are showing roughly 23-25K tests per day whereas FDOH is showing as high as 70-80K on some days – 72079 for 9/24. That’s why counting cases is mind-numbing, just tell me how many people are actually getting sick and having to be hospitalized which has been dropping like a rock for 2+ months now. Unfortunately, unlike Europe and the rest of the world, because we have tested so much more, and have so many more cases, a lot more deaths are being wrapped into the overall COVID-19 death number that everyone is breathlessly talking about. You know, died “with” COVID-19 versus died “from” COVID-19. The reality is that excess deaths in Europe paint a different picture than what is actually being attributed to COVID-19 on all the dashboards. If there was never a positive test, they put something else on the death certificate. When the average age of death from COVID-19 is 78 (79 in Florida), and the average life expectancy of an American is 78.4 years, it’s not surprising people are dying when they get any type of respiratory illness. They were extremely fragile to begin with

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        Terri Kay Wonder   October 18, 2020 at 10:39 am

        Contrary to popular belief, John Hopkins is more scientifically valid than the Florida DOH tracker because the JH tracker purposefully excludes serology/antigen tests from its dataset. Serology tests measure a person after they have been infected, or past infection rates. The purpose of these trackers is to report epidemiological information such as positivity rates, seven-day averages, etc. about what the viral loads are in a community in relative real time. You don’t get there by measuring antibodies in the blood. Therefore, Johns Hopkins only includes PCR testing. The other ways that Florida DOH skews data is to exclude multiple positive tests person. Again, epidemiologists want to know and therefore you want to know what the virus is doing in real time. If one of us catches the virus and is in the hospital, we are going to be tested more than once. Enough said. This is why the Florida and Johns Hopkins trackers are so different. I live in Virginia. My governor is a pediatric neurologist and former Army medical corps physician. Up here, we don’t seem to have the same discrepancy as you, and our curve stayed relatively flat this summer. Being a Florida native, though, I do worry about things down there.

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      Laura Kerber   September 25, 2020 at 5:27 pm

      John Hopkin’s data does not exclude people who are being tested more than once, while DOH results do. For example, If a person has been tested twice and shows up positive in both instances, John Hopkins counts it as a positive test both times. Florida DOH excludes subsequent test results for the same person, resulting in a lower (but more accurate) positivity rate.

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    Richard b   September 22, 2020 at 11:13 pm

    NO matter how you try to spin it, the charts clearly document that Florida is on the right path by re-opening. This resulted in a short bump but already is showing a decline in new cases. There is no need to keep the economy shut down. There was no need to destroy the economy in the first place. The covid-19 has demonstrated a typical new pandemic pattern of hitting and killing the most vulnerable broadly and swiftly and now is powering down to a manageable disease like flu or any other.

    The politicians want to muddle the waters and hide the fact they destroyed the best economy in over 50 years and cost you your jobs and savings simply to fear monger and grab for power and control. Facts are proving them wrong. It is time for torches and pitch forks!

    Richard

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      tim zeak   September 24, 2020 at 11:51 am

      NO it is not on the right path!!!!!!!!!!! Compare the number of tests per day, and the positive rate remains the same…averages about 12%. Tests has decreased in number by well over half since they were slowed by the hurricane.

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        Aaron   September 24, 2020 at 2:10 pm

        Where on earth are you getting 12%? Are you looking at the cumulative percent positive? The rolling 7 day average has been under 5% for 11 straight days, and under 10% since the 7th of August. Please don’t make outrageous and false claims here. Facts will win:

        https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429/
        https://business.fau.edu/covidtracker/data/florida-data/

        The first link will give you yesterdays percent positive under the florida testing tab – 4.44%. The second link will give you the rolling 7 day average under the heading of Florida Covid Case Testing Positive Percentage.

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          Mike   September 24, 2020 at 8:00 pm

          You need to look at John Hopkins and explain the difference between there 7 day positivity rate of 11.2% and the FDOH numbers and FAU numbers you are quoting.

          I really don’t understand how they can be different.

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          Ive   September 24, 2020 at 11:18 pm

          Why is there a discrepancy between that graph and Hopkins’ site showing 11-12% figures.

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          Kathy   September 25, 2020 at 6:42 am

          Do you know why John Hopkins uses totally different numbers for the moving average. And since Florida is and has been below 10% do you know why it hasn’t been taken off other states quarantine list? Thx

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          Mike   September 25, 2020 at 7:52 am

          I look at John Hopkins and it shows a 7 day moving average positivity rate of 11.2% for Florida. I have tried to check why but cannot explain the difference between their numbers and the FDOH/FAU numbers.

          https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/tracker/overview

          I have asked in the past but no one can tell me why the numbers produced by the Florida Administration are less. As long as we see big differences it i really hard to know what is really going on. It seems globally john Hopkins is considered a reliable source (I am from Europe).

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            JBL   September 25, 2020 at 12:08 pm

            Because FL has interfered with accurate reporting as the Gov, Trump puppet, has altered the nos. Person in charge quit as reported in the press because she refused to doctor( you should pardon the expression) the numbers into a lie.

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    Michael Danque   September 22, 2020 at 11:35 am

    Death data is available by date of death but this chart shows date of report. Misleading with a backlog of deaths coming in after the fact. I realize it grows the past the other way but this is near meaningless in any time scale.

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    Steve   September 21, 2020 at 3:25 pm

    I have heard from some county employees that Fl contact tracing came to a halt a month or so ago. Is this true?
    If it is, then it seems this is one of the main drivers behind lower positive rates and total cases. If we have + and you trace say 5 people per person, and the + rate for each group is say 30%, then for each person + they are missing a boatload of cases. And since this high rate large group is gone, then the FL + rate goes way down. Am I crazy?

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      Aaron   September 21, 2020 at 5:15 pm

      It seems to me the whole world has gone crazy but I don’t know you well enough to know for certain 🙂 . To your assumptions though – I don’t think Florida had much of a contact tracing program to begin with but I can’t seem to find an article to suggest it has been shut down. The best I could find is this article dated August 28th (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article245291420.html). There is a lot of things in this article so I will highlight one specific to this topic.

      “The summary shows that as of Aug. 13, the health department’s contact tracing vendor had investigated 37,541 positive cases. From those cases, investigators identified 7,155 contacts — people who have been exposed to a COVID-infected person — but workers were only able to reach 1,627, or about 23% of those people.”

      It would seem from that the number of people getting tested because of contact tracing was never enough to move the needle and the lower testing numbers and positivity rates really seem to be because there are less people who have the virus right now. The continued drop in hospitalizations would also support that theory.

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      Anatole   September 22, 2020 at 5:17 pm

      Once an epidemic is, essentially, in the process of running its course, contact tracing isn’t very effective. For each confirmed positive case there are quite a few that have not been tested. So, contact tracing of confirmed cases would find only a few of the potentially infected individuals.

      Cases are trending down because there are fewer and fewer susceptible individuals. Hospitalizations and deaths are declining because most of the recent cases are young people, with usually much milder disease.

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    Nancy Horanzy   September 20, 2020 at 8:52 am

    Thank you Aaron for clarifying that. Just like the stats for South Dakota. High positivity rate per John Hopkins, but they are only doing about 2K tests a day. Healthy people don’t get tested. I am a Florida resident and very happy with our diminishing numbers especially in light of the fact that we don’t have the Tri-State (CT, NY, MA, NJ) overreach travel restrictions and a growing population.

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    Nate   September 17, 2020 at 11:17 am

    Why do the deaths vary greatly from the DOH dashboard?
    https://fdoh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/8d0de33f260d444c852a615dc7837c86

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      Richard   September 17, 2020 at 3:01 pm

      The deaths here are the “reported on” dates. So deaths matching a July death cert may be counted here in Sept. (Weekends generally have a low total.) The DOH dashboard is dynamic and changes the previous July date with additional deaths reported later.

      The FAU site Dave links to below is excellent with there county by county breakdowns and FL data. They show how each days reported deaths breakdown and add them accordingly.

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        Nate   September 18, 2020 at 11:26 am

        Thanks for explanation! Looking into FAU site now.

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          Richard   September 19, 2020 at 10:51 am

          No problem. I apologize for all the typos. I’m guessing I meant “the” county not “there” or at least “their” and “day’s” not “days.” Garbage writing.

          Hope everyone is doing well and feeling more and more optimistic in FL. We own in NYC but have moved out.

          This site has been a great asset along with the FAU tracker and is very much appreciated.

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      Elliott   September 17, 2020 at 3:27 pm

      I asked the same question a month or so ago and didn’t get a good answer. The daily deaths here are consistently 10-fold higher than reported on the state’s dashboard. Where does Tallahassee, Floridahasseereports get their numbers?

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      Dave   September 18, 2020 at 5:11 am

      The FAU website did a write up on Aug 3 on how/why the confusion on tracking reported deaths (as is done on this site) and tracking of deaths by date of death (as shown on the Fl DOH dashboard site). If you want more detail see the write up below.

      The write-up is here https://business.fau.edu/covidtracker/data/selected-charts/covid19-florida-deaths-explainer.php

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        Nate   September 18, 2020 at 11:27 am

        Thanks Dave, going to look at this now!

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    Dave   September 16, 2020 at 2:56 pm

    Phil, Jon
    Florida Atlantic University is tracking some of the things you are looking for.
    It contains tracking on state deaths by date of death and positivity tracking for the state as well as several selected countys. It appears to be taken from the same data sets as FDOH and is published daily.
    https://business.fau.edu/covidtracker/data/florida-data/

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      Jon   September 18, 2020 at 10:21 pm

      Nice. Lots of good charts there.

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    Phil   September 15, 2020 at 8:31 pm

    Were you all going to add a graph on the positivity rate over time?

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    Jon   September 15, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    How about changing the death chart to the florida one which reflects date of death instead?

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    I Hate SPAM   September 14, 2020 at 4:17 pm

    Who is publishing comparable charts with Flu data instead?

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    Dean   September 13, 2020 at 9:26 am

    Florida has posted a 7 day rolling average of less than 10% for some time.
    Can someone please tell me where Johns Hopkins gets their numbers from.
    There are about 35 states that must quarantine when visiting Ct.
    Someone is not looking at the numbers the same way.
    I would love to visit my grandkids without having to quarantine,

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      Terry   September 13, 2020 at 12:24 pm

      The lovely Governor of Connecticut is in lockstep with his Tri-State cohorts. They know they all look really bad with 3 out of the top 4 States for deaths/per million rate for the Country, and it’s not even close. Besides the rolling average you mention, they also say the test rate has to be less than 10 per 100,000 residents – what???? I don’t think Connecticut would even meet their own criteria. Unfortunately I don’t think you’ll be able to visit your grandkids until after the election.

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        Pitt Warner   September 14, 2020 at 5:19 pm

        I have a friend in Winter Park who has a freshman entering a university in the midwest this fall. Student and anybody helping to move in on opening day has to quarantine for 14 days in that particular state before they will be allowed on campus for move in. The roommate is from CT and has no quarantine requirement. Florida is one of 7 states the university requires for student/parent quarantine. Connecticut? Really?

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          Terry   September 15, 2020 at 5:26 pm

          Which University in the Midwest has such a phobia of Florida? I have my suspicions but wanted to confirm so I don’t send my rising High School Senior daughter there. The fact that Connecticut is OK is laughable at best. The only logical explanation is that most accept the fact that everyone in NY, NY, and Conn had the virus back in March/April/May, to the tune of millions, it’s just that you couldn’t test all the people who weren’t showing symptoms back then.

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            Tara   September 16, 2020 at 7:11 am

            As of last week, NYC was still a ghost town. What a shame. And Florida is the new “state to hate” by those who hate Trump. Go figure. I have younger relatives in the Northeast and they (kiddingly?) mock Florida. I tell them their bias is not based on knowledge, but that doesn’t matter to the young ‘uns; they’re having too much fun mocking. 🙂

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            Pitt Warner   September 16, 2020 at 11:16 am

            Miami of Ohio

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          Holly   November 17, 2020 at 12:35 pm

          Florida = https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article247081417.html

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      Stu Williams   September 13, 2020 at 2:23 pm

      Quest is no longer reporting (positive or negative cases) to the state since Sept 1. They are the largestest testing lab in the state (if you include all locations of quest lab)… so of the 6.5 Million tests performed by Sept 1. 1 Million of those were by Quest. As of Sept 2 or Sept 1 these are no longer being counted because they were slow to report to the state I think.

      I am not sure, but maybe that could account for the difference in numbers including percent positive.

      This would be the equivalent of WDW Magic Kingdom not reporting people entering the park if they got to the park via Bus or Monorail or Boat and only included those who drove their own vehicles.

      Hospitalizations and deaths are a better predictor IMHO. Deaths are bad, very bad. Hospitalizations are better for September – 2438 since Sept 1. Deaths reported (most have occured in August) are 1,234. 22k new cases reported to the state excluding Quest.

      You can’t look at the aggregate numbers as cumulative doesn’t make sense for trend analysis. The best thing to look at are deaths and excess mortality – extra deaths as this number is typically very stable year to year, its uncanny.

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        Terry   September 13, 2020 at 5:48 pm

        Florida has the third largest population in the US, and either the first or second largest amount of elderly, yet currently sits at 17th in terms of deaths/million in the US. Be interested to see how many people end up dying from undiagnosed cancer or high blood pressure because they were too freaked out to go get a check up. Those will be some excess deaths, along with more suicides of course.

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        Aaron   September 14, 2020 at 12:52 pm

        That is not entirely accurate. The State of Florida severed ties with Quest on September 1st due to the their testing data backlog drop but that does not mean that Quest is no longer supplying their test data to the State. The majority of tests that they administer are done directly for physicians or for hospitals. All of those tests are still being added to the database. The only major difference when the state dropped Quest was the closing of a couple of state run testing sites that were contracted with Quest.

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      Aaron   September 14, 2020 at 1:04 pm

      John Hopkins has been at the forefront of the mis-information campaign unfortunately. One of their most questionable moves is that all of their %positive rates are not per unique individual. So with their data if the same person tests positive 10 days in a row, they are presented as a positive test 10 times. FDOH and most reputable sources all agree that this is not the correct way to report %positivity as it does not properly distinguish whether you are having community spread or if it is just the same people who are already sick. FDOH only includes positive tests if it is the 1st time the person has tested positive.

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        urban legend   September 17, 2020 at 2:32 pm

        But Johns Hopkins does it the same for all the states, and Florida shows up as one of the worst states — not only for positivity rates, but also for testing (which has dropped in Florida by over two-thirds ever since Trump whined about too much testing discovering too many cases).

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          Aaron   September 17, 2020 at 10:49 pm

          Nice try troll but not true at all, please stick to facts. https://business.fau.edu/covidtracker/data/florida-data/

          Scroll down to Florida Covid Case Testing Results. It is true that we are administering less tests now but it is not anywhere near 2/3 less. The reason we are doing less testing however has nothing to do with Trump. Notice the massive drop in positivity rate that accompanies the lack of testing. More people get tested when they are sick, more people were sick in July, because that was absolutely the peak of Covid in Florida. This is not a conspiracy theory and it is not about your politics.

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            Richard   September 19, 2020 at 2:14 pm

            Absolutely agree with Aaron here. There has not been any dramatic drop in testing that hasn’t corresponded to the massive drop in positive percentage.

            Florida tested over 70,000 people each of the past 3 days. They haven’t done that done that since late July. The July 3 days resulted in an average of over 9,500 positives per day. Florida’s last 3 days have resulted in just under 3,400 per day.

            If you don’t believe the testing, just look at the numbers that matter – hospitals and deaths. Hospital numbers don’t have the lag time issues compared to fatality numbers.

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      Greg   September 17, 2020 at 1:16 pm

      Florida DOH does not use standard measurements while other states do. Very simple. FL DOH uses each negative – ON THE SAME PERSON – as a denominator.
      ONLY use JHU numbers – Florida usually does not publish them but others do.
      My county in MA (I live in FL 1/2 the year) is currently .12% – or 100X lower than Florida.

      If you are coming from FL – at 100X or 50X the rate where your family is, wouldn’t it make sense that you provide the biggest danger?

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    Jim C   September 10, 2020 at 3:36 pm

    What is going on with fatalities these last two days?

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      Aaron   September 10, 2020 at 9:19 pm

      There is a major backlog in the issuing of death certificates for Covid-19 deaths that is slowly being eased. A lot of these deaths being recorded now are from mid to late August. There has always been a known delay in the reporting and it was assumed to be 5-10 days on average but unfortunately there was a bigger backlog then known. This is why Florida a few weeks back switched so that Doctors could state Covid-19 as the cause of death and not every case had to go to the medical examiner.

      I can’t find the exact article but there was an estimated backlog of about 1800 deaths that were waiting for medical examiners to give the final say on about two weeks ago when the new law went into effect (most would be suspected Covid deaths).

      Here is an article that details a little bit about the switch in reporting and mentions 650 in the backlog just for Miami-Dade (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-medical-examiners-20200826-p4hnz3h3vrafllnpf3fhbix2de-story.html)

      In addition to that you also had the major delay from people taking time off over Labor day. Expect to see deaths not level out as quickly as the cases and hospitalizations as that backlog of deaths will be slowly reported over the next few weeks.

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        Tracy   September 11, 2020 at 12:33 pm

        I’m aware of the backlog and thank you for the additional article updating those details, BUT…it’s my understanding that once the deaths are counted, they’re attributed to the date of death, not the date the death was verified/counted. That is why we see the numbers going up from 2+ weeks ago on many platforms. Unless I’m incorrect about that, the delay should not be reflected on the present counts.

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          Tara   September 12, 2020 at 9:10 am

          The deaths are reflected by date of death on the Florida Covid dashboard, but on this site, as well as many others, it is by the day the death is reported.

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        Jon   September 13, 2020 at 8:29 am

        Right if you look at the state report, its much better.

        http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_latest.pdf

        Page 6 shows deaths by date of death, and its more like 50 deaths per day on average.

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      Ed   September 11, 2020 at 11:18 am

      If you look at the death curve above, you will notice a 7 day pattern from peak to peak. People don’t die on a weekly pattern but the bureaucrats don’t work weekends and holidays so not as many deaths are recorded then. I can tell you from personal experience that new admissions to the hospital for Covid are way down over what they were one month ago, and the patients that do come in are not as sick and are doing better than they were a few weeks ago.

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        Terry   September 11, 2020 at 1:53 pm

        A lot of states have already started changing the way they report cases and more importantly, deaths, because almost everything is being attributed to COVID-19 now. Arizona some time back, and Massachusetts is the latest. In the FDOH report today, there were 103 of these latest deaths in the 85+ category, and another 35 in the 75-84 age range. This is why the CDC will need to go back and do an age adjustment for all these deaths being coded as COVID-19 given that the average life expectancy for an American is 78 and the average age of death from COVID-19 is ironically enough, 78. It’s actually 79 in Florida. So it begs the question was COVID-19 really the culprit.

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          Ed   September 12, 2020 at 12:09 pm

          I think Covid was really the culprit in the vast majority of cases. For someone to have died and incidentally had Covid, like in a car wreck or died of a heart attack, that’s a tiny percentage of cases. Covid is getting a lot better in our area, but I don’t think we should minimize how bad it was. It was bad. Really bad.

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            Terry   September 13, 2020 at 10:13 am

            Agreed for the most part, but it’s been very clear for many months now who was at the most risk and DeSantis got it right from Day 1, unlike Cuomo and Murphy. We also know COVID-19 is impacting the minority populations at a 4x-5x higher rate on average across all age groups, and that makes up a big portion of South Florida, particularly Miami-Dade. The same thing is being seen in other major Metro areas across the Country given the poor existing health of these groups and lack of proactive medical care. To make matters worse, Florida is very low in terms of elderly populations that live in Nursing Homes and Assisted Living Facilities. A lot of these folks are living in multi-generational households and DeSantis can’t protect them in that setting.

            It’s terrible that so many had to die, but I think it’s been contained as best as possible and we’re seeing light at the end of the tunnel. I look at countries like India where they’ve had multiple, strict lockdowns, and beat people in the streets with sticks for not wearing masks. Has it really helped? Not really, they are having the most cases by day, because they are testing more, but also the most deaths per day, which is the only metric that really counts at the end of the day. The virus eventually just has to make its way through the population, you can’t hide from it and hope it just goes away.

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            Kirk   September 15, 2020 at 1:01 pm

            Yeah, and in fact, it’s quite the opposite. Florida wasn’t counting comorbidities and was actively trying to suppress numbers, so if, for example, someone had both a cold and COVID 19, then it would be recorded as a death from the Common Cold. Is it really a coincidence that pneumonia deaths are up several hundred percent over last year in Florida and Texas? Plus, Florida is only counting resident deaths, so all of the snowbirds and tourists aren’t counted even though they probably make up about a third of all of the actual cases and deaths in the state.

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          L.I.D.   September 13, 2020 at 10:01 pm

          Are you that stupid…. people are dying from Covid-19… what world ?
          Are you living in I guess it’s trump world !

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    Terry   September 10, 2020 at 2:00 pm

    Still trying to figure out how we went from:

    – flatten the curve (check)
    – prevent hospitals from getting overwhelmed (check)
    – reduce the positivity rate (check)

    to:

    – we can’t have one positive case for even perfectly healthy people, in any school or business
    – we need a vaccine

    to:

    – we don’t want a vaccine before the election because obviously it won’t be safe

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      Pitt Warner   September 10, 2020 at 2:17 pm

      Thank you. I get so bogged down in the day to day stuff, I forget to reflect. Good job!

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      Robert   September 10, 2020 at 3:35 pm

      Actually it sounds like you understand perfectly.

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      Traci   September 11, 2020 at 3:35 pm

      Great synopsis!

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    Dan   September 8, 2020 at 2:40 pm

    Could it be that hospitals are increasing the threshold for admitting patients at both ends (not sick enough, and too sick to help)? For example, at some point, Sweden was limiting access to hospitalization for patients that were over a certain age and in a really bad condition.

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      Ken   September 8, 2020 at 6:20 pm

      We are not socialist yet, and we have the power to vote wisely to ensure we don’t go there! Yes, socialist states limit healthcare but here we pay hospitals more for Covid cases, so no limiting rather likely counting everyone possible for more dollars?
      Be happy numbers are improving, daily cases coming down, hospitalizations coming down, deaths coming down, and one of the top five healthiest economies in the country. Thank god for good leadership

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        Lona   September 10, 2020 at 1:41 pm

        Ken,You are 100% wrong about any place in the USA being in the top 5 healthiest economies.We are number 1 in Obesity,Gun deaths and More people in prison than any other country.Also Number 1 in COVID cases and deaths of any developed country in the whole world.Facts matter.

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          Kevin   September 10, 2020 at 5:26 pm

          Better “facts matter” is to focus on COVID deaths PER POPULATION and there is a whole list of developed countries with higher death rates than US.

          Confirmed deaths (absolute) Daily increase (# deaths)¹ Population (in millions) Deaths per million
          Peru 30,123 147 31.99 941.66
          Belgium 9,917 5 11.42 868.23
          Spain 29,628 34 46.72 634.11
          Bolivia 7,146 49 11.35 629.43
          Ecuador 10,701 74 17.08 626.36
          United Kingdom² 41,594 8 66.49 625.58
          Chile 11,702 20 18.73 624.8
          Brazil 128,539 1,075 209.47 613.64
          Italy 35,577 14 60.43 588.72
          USA² 190,332 1,174 327.17 581.76

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            Donna   September 10, 2020 at 6:43 pm

            Us and Brazil the only country losing over 1000 people a DAY!! Everyone else NOW has it under control!!!

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        Kirk   September 15, 2020 at 1:12 pm

        You do realize that we ration healthcare in the US too, we just do it by whether or not the person has enough money to pay for it, rather than whether or not that care will do the greatest good for society. And in fact, far more people are denied healthcare in the US than in countries with universal healthcare because there is nearly always a surplus of hospital beds, so there’s no need to worry about rationing, unless you can’t afford treatment. 29% of Americans are on Medicaid or have no insurance at all, meaning that at pretty much any private hospital, which is about 80% of hospitals in the US, they’d be turned away. And it’s not like American healthcare is any better for it. Just like in pretty much every other metric, we rank at pretty much the bottom in terms of quality of healthcare compared to other OECD countries.

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      Kevin Pack   September 8, 2020 at 6:53 pm

      That Sweden comment is just not true. They never came anywhere near exhausting their hospital and ICU capacity. They also achieved that while never shutting down for even a day.

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        Robert   September 9, 2020 at 11:05 am

        Apparently Sweden turned away older people to keep capacity open for an expected capacity-challenging peak. When it arrived, the peak was much lower than expected and they unfortunately lost some older folks that they didn’t need to lose.

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      Greg   September 17, 2020 at 1:19 pm

      Florida ranks #45 or so in health care access.
      IMHE predicts deaths in FL will stay high (100-200) pretty much as far out as we can look – 26K plus by Jan.
      Deaths from LTC and Nursing now can happen with no hospitalization- many have covered to “covid” centers and they have Hospice in-house.
      So you are correct that Hospitalizations do not tell us everything. But deaths do tell us a little and Florida is 13% plus positive – 10X or so that of states that care about their residents.

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    Jay   September 7, 2020 at 12:06 pm

    It could be that there are very few new hospitalizations and that almost of the reduction in the hospitalization numbers are coming from hospital patient deaths. Does anyone have any idea where to get a number for new patients being hospitalized each day. It seems to be coming to a point where all the reduction in hospitalizations is coming from deaths (rather than recoveries)

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      Terry   September 8, 2020 at 8:56 am

      Per the FDOH dashboard there have been a total of 40083 hospitalizations for COVID-like symptoms for FL residents and a total of 11871 Florida deaths due to COVID complications since the tracking started. So for sure the majority of hospitalizations have resulted in discharge/recovery. Unlike Saint Cuomo and New York, Florida is counting people that died in the Nursing Homes as part of the COVID-19 death count, so the percentage of people getting discharged from the hospital is even higher.

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    Traci Licht   September 7, 2020 at 9:53 am

    Any chance you could add a positivity % graph to this daily update?

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      Tenley Hough   September 7, 2020 at 5:16 pm

      Yes! This would be great

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          Traci   September 11, 2020 at 3:49 pm

          Why does the % positivity rate between the John Hopkins link and the frog link look so different?

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            Traci   September 11, 2020 at 3:49 pm

            FDOH not frog

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            Greg   September 17, 2020 at 1:23 pm

            FL DOH uses numbers they made up – seriously, They don’t use standardized disease positivity numbers. The reason is obvious – to fool you.
            Example:
            If we take 20 people (say many of them work in LTC or are athletes, etc.) and test them once a week for a month – that’s 80 tests.
            If 8 of them show up positive at the end of the month Florida would call that 10% positivity.
            Johns Hopkins and the entire rest of the world cold call that 8 out of 20 – or 40% positivity.
            Don’t be fooled. Don’t read Fl DOH reports.

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    Swarm6   September 3, 2020 at 9:48 am

    Does anyone know where to find this type of presentation for Leon County?

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    Robert   September 2, 2020 at 5:31 pm

    This reporting, surprisingly from NYT, challenges the mainstream media narrative:

    “The standard tests are diagnosing huge numbers of people who may be carrying relatively insignificant amounts of the virus.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

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      Ed   September 4, 2020 at 10:07 am

      I don’t know; it’s obvious that a majority of people don’t get very sick from Covid, still plenty do and it’s not 100% predictable who those people are going to be in advance. It looks like Florida had a bit of an uptick in cases and percentage of tests positive that started 8/31. What really matters, however, are hospitalizations which for now are in a downtrend. Look out for those numbers around Sept. 9. If they don’t bump very much we’re good. This is probably the first signal from schools opening. About 34% of Floridians should have or have had antibodies at this point. Another 34% should have specific T cell immunity to SARS CoV2.

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      WC   September 11, 2020 at 7:41 am

      Not really surprising at all. The original criticism was that we were not testing enough. Now that we are testing anyone who might possibly be willing to submit to a test we have to shift the argument to how it isn’t the “right” test.

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    Terry   September 2, 2020 at 10:48 am

    Gotta love the FDOH. Miami-Dade decides to re-open indoor dining this week and then magically FDOH hoards the death numbers and report 100 alone in Miami-Dade yesterday. If you look at the line data, you will see some of these were from more than 2 months back. Miami-Dade is a mess, no doubt, due to all the multi-generation families living together in close quarters, but this is the first time I can remember such a large disparity between the counties. The next highest County was Palm Beach with 9 and after that it was 5. Maybe Miami-Dade has a more deadly strain all of a sudden.

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      Aaron   September 2, 2020 at 12:38 pm

      I think you are attacking the wrong agency here. The FDOH only reports the numbers as they get them, the delay in the reporting happens at the county medical examiner level. This is not the first time that this happened either. I know at least one other example which is August 10th there were 91 total and 35 were reported from Manatee county (which is approximately 15% of the manatee county total all time). There are several reasons this can occur but I’m not sure any of them are truly nefarious. This is from the incident in Manatee:

      Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Russell Vega.

      “We didn’t suddenly have 35 deaths in one day but we did have a lot of deaths last weekend,” Vega said. “I was not as diligent as I could have or should have been in reporting those.”

      Regardless of the numbers it is time for everything to open and life must be started to move forward. We have a very small window where we can save our economy and country (not politically) but we must get moving forward now and not delay.

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        Terry   September 3, 2020 at 11:20 am

        Could be, timing is just very suspicious. More and more reports coming out every day about how the death and case numbers are severely skewed. Never in my life have I seen such a strong push by so many people to attribute everything to COVID-19. It will be interesting to see when the CDC goes back and does the numbers a year or two from now and does the age adjustment to get the true death rate from COVID-19. That’s assuming of course the deaths were even labeled correctly to begin with. For sure when the average life expectancy of an American is 78.4 years, and the average age of death from COVID-19 is 78 (79 in Florida currently), you have to wonder if COVID-19 was really the main culprit.

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          david   September 3, 2020 at 4:12 pm

          This is definitely a concern. Perhaps the best, albeit imperfect way to assess the degree of accuracy of death attributed to Covid is to examine the overall death toll in the country which follows a very predictable statistical pattern. This data can be seen at https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#:~:text=Excess%20deaths%20are%20typically%20defined,in%20which%20the%20death%20occurred
          The takeway from this data is that there have been between 189,000 and 234,000 excess (abnormal) deaths in the US since March. Of course this could be attributable to other causes then Covid. But an objective opinion would probably conclude that the current death toll of 186,000 is fairly conservative. It is extremely likely that the number is somewhat higher.

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            Terry   September 4, 2020 at 2:42 pm

            Some of these excess deaths can be attributed to people not getting regular check ups and keeping high blood pressure and pre-diabetes conditions in check. Worse yet, diagnosis of cancer is WAY down, like 40% per some studies. None of these medical conditions magically disappeared in 2020. My wife is a nurse and they had a patient the other day that needed a heart procedure but the OR wouldn’t take him until he had a negative COVID-19 test. Guess what, he ended up dying of a massive heart attack. Mark my words, his death will be counted as a COVID-related death. The media has made people scared to go to the doctor for any reason now and we know suicides and overdoses are also up.

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        Greg   September 17, 2020 at 1:29 pm

        Not to say minds can be changed, but FL is largely “open” and when the rest of the country and world comes down this winter and some get infected, that is going to make certain it takes that many more years for “the economy” to recover.
        If it comes to it, other states will crack down hard on FL infected people coming back.

        This will not be a good thing for Florida reputation.

        As far as “the economy” – assuming you can still learn things, here is something to chew on. CT, with a .5% positivity rate, was recently measured at 86% of their pre-pandemic level. That would be OVER 60,000 per capita.

        FL economy, assuming it was 90% open (might be) – would be less than 40K per person. If it was FULLY open (impossible because people from elsewhere simply aren’t going to come to the same degree), it would be 44K per person.

        So which would you choose? Opening colleges and schools safely (they are in CT) and 60K per person, or the “great economy” in Florida at 40K per person? Think carefully now.

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    BustedUpGrunt   August 30, 2020 at 11:27 am

    CDC weekly national summaries include deaths from Pneumonia, Influenza, and Covid (PIC) in their overall Mortality Rates. CDC states PIC mortality rate for latest week #34 is 7.9%.
    Does Florida DOH also include Pneumonia and Influenza in these overall FL state death counts?

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    the day is mine Trebek   August 28, 2020 at 2:08 pm

    today: missing hospitalizations chart, have deaths chart twice

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      Staff   August 28, 2020 at 3:31 pm

      Got it. Thanks.

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    Russell P Davignon MD   August 28, 2020 at 12:56 pm

    Wrong Hosptilzation Graph on 8/28 Bring back old hospital graph with trend line and yes latest post FIRST!

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      Charley   August 30, 2020 at 6:03 pm

      the department of health changed how they were reporting the numbers.

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        Michelle   September 1, 2020 at 3:45 pm

        You noticed too right ? We actually have a ton of cases, if they count the positive rate the right way. I swear they will do anything to skew the numbers to appear “safer”. I trust Rebekah Jones website it’s funny her count has been accurate the whole time. I think it’s a lie about quest, to make the miscounting appear their fault.

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          John Kaufmann   September 2, 2020 at 10:32 am

          FL state dashboard reports less cases which actually makes their fatality ratio look higher. I am not sure it really makes things appear “safer” other than a fewer less cases.

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    Susan Calkins   August 26, 2020 at 3:28 pm

    You have the easiest graphs of the virus I have found. Thank you. My only suggestion would be to put the newest replies first. Things have changed alot since April and most of the older replies aren’t that relevant now.

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    MIB   August 24, 2020 at 8:53 pm

    Oh, my, yes, turrrible turrible. 2.79% of Florida population infected, 0,048% died. 1.72% in USA confirmed infected, 0.053% have died. 9% (over 21% in NY) of those in statistical screening projects found to have antibodies. 0.307% of world population infected, 0.011% have died. Only a little over a dozen prospective vaccines in testing, over 110 pharma treatments in use. Curl up in a hidey-hole. Never mind the tornado the weather service is warning of over in Marianna this evening.

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      Terry   August 25, 2020 at 4:43 pm

      It will be interesting to see what the death rates from COVID-19 end up being after they do the age adjustment like they do for all causes of death. For sure it will be lower, potentially much lower because the average age of death from COVID-19 is 78 (79 in Florida) which just happens to be the average life expectancy of an American. Hmmm, coincidence????

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        Kevin   September 1, 2020 at 3:25 pm

        You’re wrong. Life expectancy is an average that includes many young people and children who have died of accidents, illness, and drug overdoses. If you make it to your late 70s you have on average about ten years of life left.

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        Donna   September 10, 2020 at 6:57 pm

        The key is in the Excess deaths. The man you cited who died waiting for a COVID test would not have died in any other year. Of COURSE COVID is complicit in his death!! People that stayed home afraid to go to the hospital for that pain running down their arm are COVID related deaths. It is very Clear they would not have died but for COVID- otherwise Why the HUGE increase in excess deaths?

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      David   September 2, 2020 at 6:13 am

      Your statistics are flawed and you know it. You can have a smart-assed attitude if you want; you’ll sing a different tune if you get the virus.

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    Terry   August 24, 2020 at 12:20 pm

    I keep hearing about “going to Phase 2” soon with all this positive news. However, not really sure what that means. In South Florida, we were excluded from opening stand-alone bars, but other than that, most of Phase 2 was already in place. We are already operating at 50% capacity for indoor dining, the bowling alleys were already open, and the movie theaters opened back up last Friday. Is this just about the bar service and maybe increasing capacity a bit more? Each County is already making their own decisions about in-class Public school instruction, with a heavy hand from the Teacher’s Union. The Governor has already said he wants choices offered – in-class, remote, hybrid. Broward County is imposing their own rules like restaurants closing at 10pm and the on-going mask mandate which has been in place since early May. Nothing to do with the Governor’s orders.

    If anyone knows what’s missing as part of Phase 2, can you please clarify?

    #herdimmunity

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    R.C.   August 23, 2020 at 12:20 pm

    Dear Governor, Please continue to free us more and more. Keep us old people at home and let the rest go to work to feed their families. Quarantine the sick, not the well. Open the schools. There will be many more Covid’s in this life, but life must go on.

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      Susan DiG   August 30, 2020 at 8:55 pm

      I believe that no one ever shows or states a positive spin on how people are surviving the virus. Plus, the media is purposely scaring everyone so they won’t go outside or to work or to vote and I believe that it’s political. Please report the definite trend showing that cases are trending down, as less people are sick. I’m a 71 year old woman and I’ve been following the guidelines to an extent. I have been outside with a mask on and keeping a safe distance from other individuals, since this whole thing began. I encourage other people to do the same as long as you are not immune-challenged. And, of course, stay away from anyone who shows a sign of illness. Life is too short to stay inside. Just use the precautions that have been suggested. And poor Margaret – she really ranted and raved and didn’t make much sense. Blessings to everyone.

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    jim jeffery   August 22, 2020 at 5:49 pm

    Publishing CURRENT stats for everything is the ONLY logical method of tracking Covid-19! That is why CDC is allowing cruise lines to start up in 6 weeks!

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    Ed   August 22, 2020 at 3:36 pm

    Looking good, Florida! I see your cases are down, deaths down, and hospitalizations are down. Same across the other states along the Gulf (except Alabama. I don’t know about Alabama. Well, I better not say any more), and, well with Texas, at least eastern Texas is much better too. So what did it? What brought the epidemic down? Was it a lockdown? Nope. Was the population issued N95’s? Nope. It’s the good old human immune system, I believe. Now, is there still Covid out there? Yep. Could Covid still put your sorry self 6 foot down in a hole? You bet your patouttie it can and will if you’re not careful. So be glad, but don’t let your guard down. It ain’t over ’til the fat lady sings, but it sure as heck looks a lot better. Good job, Floridians! Here’s hoping we see y’all on the loosing side of a football field here in the next few weeks!

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      Brian J-T   August 30, 2020 at 9:38 am

      You’re literally too stupid to insult.

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    Robert E Powers   August 22, 2020 at 12:48 pm

    Close to 600,000 cases! Governor Disastrous heck of a job

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      Aaron   August 22, 2020 at 2:02 pm

      Take your garbage and peddle it elsewhere. People come here for facts. Like the fact that the current hospitalizations today are almost exactly half what they were at the peak of ~9500 on 7/22. The hospitals did not get overwhelmed, and we managed to reach a level of herd immunity (obviously not enough to eliminate it, but enough to drastically slow it down). The governors job is not to take away my freedoms for something that really does not affect the mass majority of people. Our numbers still blow away those of NY and NJ and are right on par with states like Michigan and California. You don’t have to get a life but you no longer get to tell the rest of us we aren’t allowed ours.

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        KEN   August 22, 2020 at 2:19 pm

        Excellent response Aaron. I would bet that Mr. Powers has been getting a paycheck through this whole pandemic so opening up the economy means nothing to him. Of course, he quotes the MSM’s favorite statistic by using the meaningless cases number. That number includes many who didn’t even know they had the virus but let’s shut down the economy anyway. A better statistic to use is the deaths per million and there are 15 states worse than Florida, many by a factor of two or three.

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          Debbie   August 29, 2020 at 10:10 am

          I SO AGREE
          Have you doom and gloom complainers reallllllly thought this out, Wanting to shut down our economy. People are going to die yes, and its me thats life.

          Its not the government’s job to take care of you who choose not to work.

          If we dont let people get back to work the government wont be able to help anyone. Without the wheels of progress continuing amd people not earning money to pay taxes, government will self annihilate.

          Forgive me im sick and tired of people thinking its the governments job to help them.

          In the bible we read.
          Those who wont work and are able, dont deserve to eat. Not the exact words but close enough.

          Im not the best writer but hopefully it made some sense.

          Debbie

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            Margaret A Blustine   August 30, 2020 at 6:06 pm

            Pure de santis.15000 cases july 30 an 253 dead each day.so he and trump start just countiny hospital positive cases and deaths august 1! Leavingbout 3x more daily tests at sites and sent home sick wait 2 weeks results since trump de santis fired most private labs doing 2 results.
            So thousands weekly die AT HOME NOT COUNTED BY TRUMP DE SANTIS SINCE AUG 1 THEY ONLY COUNT HOSPITAL VIRUS DEATHS AND CASES AS DE SANTIS USES LAME EXCUSE FOR PORTION REPORTING TRUTH DAILY. Wonder whyv1000 dropped fast to 4000 3000.cheating and fake tracking methods.since aug 1. Cases realyl over 20000 daily deaths over 300 daily both rising. Lying.killing. fla worst by far if true data and increasing fasteven hospitl only dead yesterday 153 thats 1071
            A WEEK AND UNACCEPTABLE. NOTBEVEN COUNTING THOUSANDS WEEKLY SENT HOME TO DIE NOT COUNTED AS TRUMP DE SANTIS ORDERED MEDICAL EXAMINERD TO STOP PUBLIC VIRUS AT HOME REPORTS.trump de santis scam newctrack methods aug 1 on are killing ecposing milions by november all hidden.dont be fooled.understandvecsantis says on tv only track.hospitals.most die home from virus since aug 1 waitg deliberate delayed 2 wk.results dnt get dead counted per e santis trump fake new track methods as true mass murder is spiraling record highs daily. Stop being fooled.listen to new faking tracking ways.de santis and trump with new tricks to show fake declining per medl ecpertsxwi now kill on.to 30 million by.december.is mass murder for noncaring fake president to try be back kill more.becase he doesnt do anything to slow virus nor does de santis.only idiots dont listen to e santi admit since aug 1 only hosptal dsgnosis and deaths counted. Hiding 3cx both every day fooling you. Florida deadliest state record.deaths not counted total since aug 1 he admits changed trackg aug 1 to only small portion g hositals he counts says total.lies.
            Positvity rate all daily virus cas is up to 26 percent so he says stopped using it ecaue hes lying saying total cases 3000 4000 as thatsonly hospitals.not sick at home dying
            Not carrers banned from tests s now.not carriers banned from tests now ongoing exposing many millions across america infecting.killing.trump.wont count them dead as cantbget tests anymore if IF ECPosed only counts HOSPITAL DEPATHS HE SAYS. MASS MURDER TRUMP. DESANTIS CHANGES.SATANIC.DONTT BE FOOLED LIKE YOU ARE.LISTEN CHECK OUT EARLY AUG CHANGE TO JUST HOSITSLS. JUST A THIRD OF VIRUS CASES AND AS MANY THOUSANDS DAILY SENT HOME EVERY STATE WAIT DELAYED RESULTS AND DIE HOME TRUMP.STOPPED COUNTINGTHEM SINCE AUGB1
            CHART DECLINING A SCAM Of THESE murderous changes.now even more murder changes trump getscdaily tests.trump.mask mandates wh protect him.he knows.wontprotect us.never will.because hes cutting more test funding.he doesnt care abt americans.just himself and title andbeing cheap lazy murderous liar.

            SO FLORIDACWRSE DAILY.NO DECLINING.NO MASKS.MORE OPEN.E SATIS ANVRUMP

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            Pedro Dudeson   September 2, 2020 at 7:54 pm

            The young are going to do well. It is really only the old and obese and diseased that will die. At the end of the day, these are people (most, but not all, of course) that do not contribute much to the economy. They have enjoyed a good life and I bet that if you ask them, they would be happy to die so that their children can grow up in a land of abundant resources. Gov Desantis knows this.

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          David   September 2, 2020 at 6:18 am

          “there are 15 states worse than Florida….” So you get that there are 34 states *better* than Florida, right? You’re bragging about being ranked 35th in deaths per million? Wow.

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        Terry   August 22, 2020 at 2:32 pm

        # of cases is still the most meaningless thing that the sheep focus on, I guess because CNN and MSNBC preach it 24/7. It’s completely dependent upon testing and the State population. Is it a coincidence that the three most populous states have the most cases? Does anyone realize how many people in NY, NJ, and Conn actually had this thing but they couldn’t test everyone that moved back in March/April, only the sick people. Those States would be well into the millions and there are multiple antibody tests and studies to confirm that. The US has conducted over 75M tests now, no other Country is close, but we know herd immunity has occurred in a lot of Europe now. Masks are not the answer, never have been as indicated by all these States with mask mandates since the beginning of the pandemic doing worse than States who never had a mask mandate. Immunity was always the only way out as we are seeing now. Sweden looking smarter and smarter as each day goes by compared to Belgium, UK, Italy, Spain. Dems won’t be able to milk the fear all the way to Nov. 3, that’s pretty obvious now,

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          SueMc   November 17, 2020 at 10:10 pm

          Nov 4th…Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark.

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            SueMc   November 17, 2020 at 10:18 pm

            Nov 4th cont’d…What is only now emerging is how Sweden, despite letting its economy run unimpeded, has still suffered business-destroying, prosperity-diminishing damage, and at nearly the same magnitude of its neighbors.

            Sweden? FAIL….just like the rest of the world.

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      Keith   September 8, 2020 at 1:04 pm

      Whether you get virus is almost entirely up to each individual, not the politicians. The chance of you becoming affected with this virus approaches zero if you do all the things necessary to protect yourself. Blaming Desantis for the number of positive cases and deaths is analogous to blaming him for the number for automobile deaths associated with not wearing a seat belt. Resist the desire to control everyone else and take responsibility for you own actions.

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    Tara   August 18, 2020 at 2:48 pm

    Butch, I think the current number of Covid patients currently hospitalized has more meaning than the daily number hospitalized. It lets us see if we’re in danger of running out of beds, which has always been a major concern. The number of new hospitalizations each day gives no real insight.

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    Gigi   August 18, 2020 at 9:35 am

    Hi Staff,
    Comments are glitchy. Mid-May-Aug mostly missing. Used to be able to scroll down and read the newest batch. Any way to keep the newest comments on top?

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      Staff   August 18, 2020 at 10:01 am

      We are working on a software fix. We had to upgrade our site and ran into a glitch. Thanks

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    Butch   August 16, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    Thabk you Tallahasseereports.com for presenting this information every day. I wish you would use the same time scale for hospitalizations as cases and deaths….

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    wally   May 11, 2020 at 10:48 pm

    Interesting to see the ignorance & stupidity spewed out in these comments back in April. Sadly fox is still foaming at the mouth.

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    Joanna Tammaro   May 11, 2020 at 10:21 pm

    Overblown? Seriously? 4.17 MILLION cases worldwide and the US with the highest death rate at over 80,000? I’d hate to hear what you think “really serious” is. The way to get ahead of COVID-19 has been demonstrated by many other Countries… and we are not following their lead. If science, and the examples proven to work are going to be ignored, then at least mandate gloves and masks for everyone out publicly…. Regardless of whether you are being cautious or not- ASK yourself “What if I’m wrong?” If wearing protective precautionary masks etc is in fact over zealous, unnecessary who is going to be at risk or hurt because you are “wrong”.. If on the other hand you are not practicing precautionary measures?? Who could possibly be negatively impacted by your choice?

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    jim rapp   May 8, 2020 at 5:16 pm

    We need to open up and be smart about our behavior. The lockdown slowed us down and showed us how to be safe. Now its up to us to know the risks of our behaviors and to get on with life.

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    Alexander Coughlin   May 8, 2020 at 1:48 pm

    We are Floridians. We know how ridiculous the notion is of trying to repair your home while in the midst of a tropical storm or hurricane. The pandemic is no different. If you truly want businesses to open up, we need to do a true lock-down plus a substantial increase in testing and contact tracing. The pandemic dies down from the lock-down while the testing and tracing ensures that we catch any new flare ups or importations. These things are necessary to create public confidence and allow things to reopen. What we are doing now is fixing our house while in eye of the hurricane. Beyond foolish.

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    Jon   May 8, 2020 at 8:57 am

    Why does the DOH dashboard show much lower numbers? Less than 20 deaths per day.

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    William   May 7, 2020 at 12:12 am

    This is a big RUSE. Social control and compliance test for next event.

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    News Maven   May 5, 2020 at 7:32 pm

    When you restrict the freedoms of the sick, it’s called quarantining.

    When you restrict the freedoms of the well, it’s called TYRANNY.

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      Phil A   May 6, 2020 at 12:36 am

      I didn’t know that “tyranny” is a synonym of “logical.”

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      DeepStateProvocateur   May 7, 2020 at 7:46 am

      Good point, News Maven! If anything, quarantining sick people is also Tyranny! I don’t see anything in the Constitution that says someone may have their freedoms restricted if they are sick. If I have corona virus, AIDS, Ebola, and Cat Scratch Fever, there is nothing, NOTHING, in the CONSTITUTION, that says the Government can restrict my rights to go shopping, play basketball, or goto a swing dance. It’s like these people haven’t even read the Constitution, or more likely, are in bed with Soros and other Dem-Socialists because they hate America.

      What’s more, I should be free to run red lights. They are restricting *my freedom* to get to where I need to go at the timeframe I need to get there. It’s *my* decision if I am going to endanger myself, and if someone else doesn’t want to get hit by my car, they can stay home like sheeple.

      MAGA!

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    Jon   May 5, 2020 at 2:55 pm

    Im confused how you get a 72 average new deaths today, when there has been less than 40 deaths per day according to the DOH.

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      Jon   May 5, 2020 at 2:58 pm

      Nm, the black line is the average. Charts are supposed to have a legend.

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    B.Good   May 5, 2020 at 1:05 am

    ALL of the numbers are artificially low. If only people who have symptoms get tested then it is not a random sample so it does not accurately express what the infection rate is. If we knew the true numbers of deaths and infections, no one would leave their home. Also masks are a bad idea as it only makes the likely hood of touching your face higher.

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    Tim   May 4, 2020 at 3:59 pm

    Had to point out. Based on a report of 650+ positive cases in the big bend on another media outlet. Okay. Feel free to correct my math or confirm my numbers. Based on the total population (most stats from 2018, so probably now higher), the population in the same Big Bend areas listed Is 618,520. Or a covid infection rate of .001%. A death rate of .00004%. Again if my numbers or percentages are off I’d like to hear but probably not by much. All deaths and illnesses are sad and tragic, however in my opinion the current statistics do not justify a mandatory shutdown and closures that we are currently experiencing. When a person sees just the headlines the media puts out there to get attention without including all the facts, that panders the fear mongering.

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    Rick Mazur   May 2, 2020 at 9:50 pm

    Nice information. I would also like to see county data and include the number of test conducted each day like Gov DeSantis described a few days ago in his TV briefing. As I recall he referred to that graph as “Positivity” and stated it is the most important tool to look at all this data.

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    Bill   May 2, 2020 at 11:58 am

    Facts first, the KKK has mutated into what everybody knows are Southern republicans, except what changes besides hating everyone that’s not white, they include all poor whites. So expect more voter repression, less benefits that ya can’t even get what’s out there now, and health care that already the worst in the country. So all you poor folk get out there and get sick, fill the pockets of Republicans pockets with more money.

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    Barbara M   April 30, 2020 at 3:31 pm

    This is TERRIFIC data, thank you. What jumps out at me, though on April 30 is that if we look at the WHITE HOUSE CRITERIA wanting 14 days of falling Hospitalizations, and falling new cases, we have NOT achieved both. The trend line for hospitalizations is barely changing.
    So if we follow the directions that TRUMP released a few weeks ago for the phased reopening, looking to see 14 DAYS OF DECLINE, FL SHOULD NOT YET BE REOPENING.
    Those were the criteria they set out!

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      Jon   May 2, 2020 at 9:38 pm

      We have one hospitalization per day in Leon County.

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    Terry   April 30, 2020 at 4:30 am

    Regarding the New Cases graph, shouldn’t there be a graph of some kind indicating the very low number of test kits available in Tallahassee daily?

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    Jason   April 28, 2020 at 4:43 pm

    Hey, Allison, why don’t you go watch a little more CNN & MSNBC? You’ll feel better. Or, better yet – get a job.

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    Edward Lyle   April 28, 2020 at 8:15 am

    Wow Allison… bitter much?

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    Allison   April 28, 2020 at 3:56 am

    The rich will continue to stay safe at home even if the state re-opens. It is always those who HAVE to work who force themselves to go to work even when they feel lousy. You think Barron Trump will be going back to school anytime soon? No. But all other kids will have to if they open schools. If you didn’t need to work because of financial security, and you and your spouse had health issues, would you go out like it’s any other day? If you had kids would you feel comfortable letting them go back to school now…if it means possibly bringing Covid-19 home and Gramma lives with you? And for those who keep saying how great the economy was before Covid-19 came along (ala Trump’s bragging the same)…how come so many people in our country are broke and standing in food bank lines after no income for a couple of weeks? Millions of people living paycheck to paycheck and/or working two jobs just to make ends meet is NOT the definition of a great economy. Those who invest in the stock market might agree with Trump, but most Americans don’t make enough money to save anything from their checks. That ain’t “great”. I’m sure Bubba, donning his MAGA hat and guzzlin’ suds in his trailer, while watching FOX, just believes what he hears. Go on back to work…risk your health and the health of others, even though the economy was and won’t be great still. Hurry! That hamster wheel is cold from inactivity!

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      Jon   April 28, 2020 at 12:43 pm

      Allison, thats why people work, save, spend wisely. You should ask why everyone isnt emulating the rich.

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      Rusty   April 29, 2020 at 8:10 am

      Allison, you can overcome your fear of death and that of your loved ones by believing and sharing the good news of God, which is briefly summarized below:

      God made the world and everything in it. Therefore, He is the owner and rightful ruler of the entire universe, and we are all accountable to Him.

      However, the Bible tells us, and our consciences remind us, that we have all sinned against God. We have all rebelled against God and sought to live by our own rules and desires. We disobey His law by lying, lust, sinful anger, selfishness, and many other ways. God is a just and righteous judge. He will judge all who have disobeyed Him, sentencing them to Hell for eternity.

      But God, in His love and mercy, made a way by which He could uphold His justice and forgive the guilty. He sent His Son, Jesus, into the world. Jesus is fully God and now fully man. By becoming a man, He was able to live the perfect life God required of us and to die and take the penalty we deserve for our sin. He was raised from the dead so that our sins could be fully paid for, and we could have His perfect life counted for us.

      This is the good news of God. The Bible says that if you will turn from your sin and trust in Jesus as your Savior, relying on His death and resurrection as your only hope of satisfying God’s demands, you will be forgiven by God and given new and eternal life. How will you respond? Will you trust in your own goodness on judgment day, or will you trust Jesus now?

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    Skeptical   April 28, 2020 at 2:57 am

    Are new cases really going down OR is there just a shortages of test kits? Bond Clinic only had five test kits?

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    Snidely Whiplash   April 27, 2020 at 8:10 pm

    Whooo this is new:
    Look closely at the new graph.
    It’s clearly telling us we must cower in fear, binge watch Net Flix, and get fat untill right after Joe Biden is elected.
    Look closely now….there you see it too!!!

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    Curtis   April 27, 2020 at 7:40 pm

    FYI with about 17 degrees of freedom (df = n – 1; 4/8 through 4/26 -> n=18; df = 18 – 1 = 17), TR could probably extend that declining trendline at least two weeks (i.e., 14 days, or until around 5/10), maybe three, if you wanted to push it.

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    Oliver   April 27, 2020 at 7:21 pm

    How is the black trend line calculated? It looks strangely low for the first half of the data.

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      Staff   April 27, 2020 at 7:43 pm

      The black line is a seven day average. Therefore, at 3/27 the black line represents an average of the cases reported from 3/21-3/27. The reported cases on four of those days were below 300.

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    NVC   April 27, 2020 at 4:26 pm

    I am a physician and work in a risk-associated environment. I wash my hands 20x per day, encourage social distancing . I wear a mask whenever I am out of my home. I wear it to go to the grocer, the pharmacist, and certainly when in my office seeing patients. I have not seen my grandson in 6 weeks as there is fear I could bring an infection into his home or their household could pass it on to me- the old guy in the group.
    The mask says two things: 1. We live in very uncertain times. 2. It is, however, very certain that I will do all the things we currently accept that will reduce the risk of my hurting anyone else (family, friend, stranger) or myself.
    No , you are not stupid. Find a more enlightened group of souls.

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    John Hill   April 27, 2020 at 10:08 am

    Young, healthy, need to work? No senior citizens in your household? Okay, fine, go back to work, but is it asking too much to wear a god damned mask? In pictures from China EvERYONE is wearing masks including Xi. Here, by contrast, no one is, including Trump. Now we have maybe 20 tomes the Covid cases as China. Coincidence? I was at a gathering yesterday among 50 other souls and I was the only one wearing a mask. So am I the stupid one?

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      News Maven   April 27, 2020 at 5:13 pm

      Yes.
      Any other questions, sheeple?

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      Jon   April 28, 2020 at 12:40 pm

      Not stupid, but neither was anyone else. Theres a 99.99% chance no one at your gathering had the virus, Why not wear a helmet too in case you fell down, which is far more likely.

      Point being you dont NEED a mask, but it doesnt hurt.

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    Lynn   April 26, 2020 at 5:47 pm

    I support the thought that groceries and stores like Walgreens, even doctors offices could continue to close early, disinfect and have the vulnerable to come in early. That is obviously working where I live in the hot spot of south Florida because the same people are working in Publix, Sams, and other stores that I shop at and they have been there for the 6 weeks we have all be quarantined. I would love for anyone who feels it is a problem for them personally to feel free to stay home and get delivery. I deliver to my disable sister in law. But I go out 3 to 4 times a week to pick up groceries, a meal I ordered, drop off a package at the post office. But one thing we need to remember – people cannot get elective surgery – that includes any elective surgery like a colonoscopy, a biopsy, a baby getting tubes in their ears to relieve serious pain, an ACL for someone who tore it before the stay at home. And this does not address families in unhealthy situations, people in depression, or suicidal. There has to be some balance, and opening a few things here and there is needed.

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    Cynthia   April 26, 2020 at 12:23 am

    I would support more business openings if we could ALL have n95 masks. Those are the only thing that prevent the virus from entering your body, and that’s not 100%. But of course our federal government can’t figure out how to produce those masks OR tests either. Until then, it has to be lockdown for everybody.

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    Uncle Matt   April 25, 2020 at 2:27 pm

    I neither know anyone who has Kung-flu nor do I know anyone who knows anyone who HAS or HAD it. With that knowledge, and after reading “how to lie with statistics” in the 10th grade I doubt a lot of the accuracy of the data, the source of the data, and the relevance of certain bits of data.

    It seems that we hear a lot of suggestions/mandates/conclusions that are based on questionable data at best…..anecdotes at the least.

    NOBODY has the answer right now and we are NEVER going to not be susceptible to this or any other current or future virus so then this then becomes, or in my humble opinion SHOULD become, a personal decision. Stay inside if you feel safest that way or go out with PPE or just go out and get on with your life and try not to jeopardize anyone’s else’s health. But for the love of GOD please don’t continue to trample on my freedoms, my rights, or my livelihood.

    This, my friends, is why the second amendment is the second amendment!

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    Way O Verblown   April 25, 2020 at 10:55 am

    I think LB + Lena should take their own advise and NEVER LEAVE THEIR HOUSES AGAIN!!
    Party at my place!

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    Lena   April 24, 2020 at 7:14 pm

    This situation is serious.

    There are some days when the virus is the leading cause of death in the US.

    There is no vaccine and no cure.

    The only thing you can do is try to stop it from spreading.

    Or you can end up like Albany, GA where one infected person reportedly made 1,400 sick and killed 100 people. As Albany is only less than two hours away, I’m not sure why this hasn’t been the top story here.

    Worst case scenario seems to be Ecuador where corpses are not picked up and have been left rotting in homes and in the street.

    Yeah, it’s a serious problem and King of Stupid saying you could drink bleach or fry yourself with UV light is further insanity.

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      Jon   April 25, 2020 at 11:47 am

      Not the only thing you can do. 99% of people can fight it naturally with antibodies, recover in a couple weeks at most and get on with their lives instead of hiding and obsessing about Trump.

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    Jay Dub   April 22, 2020 at 6:56 am

    Not a single person asked for this to happen and people are dying every day. If it affected any of the people spreading hate and blame it would change their tune. Stay safe and avoid those who choose to be ignorant. People can go back to work when it’s safe.

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      Jon   April 22, 2020 at 11:27 am

      Great, lets go back to work then, because its safe. Almost no one in Leon County has it. Almost everyone who does have it has minor symptoms.

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    Snidely Whiplash   April 21, 2020 at 7:18 pm

    At this point we need to shelter Grandmom, Grandpop, and all our disabled citizens. Some others also with underlying health issues.
    The remainder of you healthy able bodied folks are gonna report for work ASAP.
    That’s right you!
    No more binge watching no more pajamas in the daytime no more masturbation alcohol and drug enhanced marathons all day for you lazy pukes. Yes its time to un-ass from the comfy couch and report for work for all of you!!!
    Open our beloved economey back up.
    No disrespect intended but you all need to get to work, wear masks, use hand sanitizer, and whatever. But it over already.
    If you follow the basic protection you still might get sick but you will survive what will be no more than maybe a bad cold for you healthy folks. Stop being whiney diaper babies and take your ass back to work.

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    Chuck   April 20, 2020 at 2:29 pm

    I wonder why hospitalizations spike on the weekends? Are people working all week, then when they have a little time off going to get seen? Maybe they only have time to take loved ones on the weekend? Seems like an interesting dynamic…

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    Amy Adamski   April 20, 2020 at 9:42 am

    Since not testing would be a great way to keep numbers down….I’d like to see a chart with testing figures as well.

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    Trudy Peterson   April 20, 2020 at 3:19 am

    This graph is only reflective of testing and hospitalization. Duval county testing sites were down last week due to rain. It neither accounts for deaths only hospitalizations. Many, like nursing homes do not go to hospitals. These charts are misleading. Considered they are not from an independent source I have to wonder if they are politically driven. Good luck Lenny Curry on your meet with POUS.

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    Penny   April 20, 2020 at 12:41 am

    I know a few of my relatives were sick different times.. called doctor was directed where to go. Fever shortness of breath etc. None were given the test.. sent home with inhalers and antibiotics they were sick at least two weeks antibiotics didnt make it better but about the 14th day they just got better. They dont want to even test you unless gasping for breath. I think that’s why so many die at home or dont get to the hospital in time.. causing them to need a ventilator. Not a good chance of making it at that point. Just saying for sure cases are not getting reported because they are not testing you unless you need oxygen or worse. Not a single one of relatives were tested…we cant be the only ones this has happened to.

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      Jon   April 20, 2020 at 5:17 pm

      And yet we have 90% negative tests? How does that square?

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    Peggy Berry   April 19, 2020 at 9:43 pm

    I certainly am hopeful that with the beaches opening for “athletic’s, swimming, dog walking…but no sunbathing!!!!!. I found it interesting to see pictures of people lying on the beach. And forget the 6′ distance. Those of you who want your freedom….go for it, but leave me and mine ALONE, AND God forbid you get ill, remember….it was you who wanted freedom. To hell with the rest of the world. The attitude of many Americans is everyone for themselves, and God for no one. Let me tell you. I am a semi-retired RN, with a BSN, and am board certified. I have dealt with HTLV3, AIDS, ARC. I have worked on every floor there is. For heavens sake people, follow the rules. Wear a mask, stay 6′ away from each other. We nurses work hard enough without some non-compliant people who wonder….gee what happened” please please show care for yourselves, family, friends, the guy down the street.

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    Lp   April 19, 2020 at 12:21 pm

    Is it possible, the reason that they aren’t testing as many people in Leon county, because they aren’t being directed to do so. I thought that you had to have signs/symptoms to be tested, pretty much directed by your doctor to a testing center.

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    Jon   April 19, 2020 at 12:18 pm

    Not seeing a down trend yet, so still wait and see. However, does 200 hospitalized per day really require everyone losing their job and businesses? Or 1 hospitalization per week in Leon?

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    Edward Lyle   April 19, 2020 at 8:43 am

    This is what happens when you let agenda-driven, taxpayer-funded, grant-dependent “scientists” play with a altered and modified SIMs game…

    No one should believe or react to any of this nonsense. No Informed American should accept any of this until we’re shown empirical data and a side-by-side comparative chart that depicts and compares the “real” year-to-date number of deaths “caused by” Covid-19 here in America… to the year-to-date number of deaths from the common flu, car wrecks, diabetes, cancer, abortion, trip and falls, et al…

    But this will never happen, lest we expose the ruse and manufactured hysteria that is designed to destroy our economy and Republic. Wake up America!

    May God continue to bless and protect America, Her President, Her Constitution, Her Laws, Her Sovereignty, and Her Citizens.

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    Snidely Whiplash   April 17, 2020 at 7:23 pm

    While The Trump virus is recognized by all thinking people on Earth to be the left’s last desperate hope to fling dooky on Trump before the Great Conservative 2020 presidential landslide, thats just a bunch of fluff like Russia Russia and Impeach Impeach Impeach, everybody knows we need to get back to work.
    Will people die from The Left’s Trump virus after we open up and get back to work? Hell yes some will die. Are we gonna get back to work? Hell yes we are gonna get back to work!!!
    Will Virus Virus Virus prevent Trump from being elected? Hell no Virus Virus Virus will NOT prevent Trump from being re elected.
    The left is so lame!!!!

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      margaretmac   April 17, 2020 at 9:14 pm

      HELL YES!! No re-election of the egomaniacal, ignorant, moron!?

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        Edward Lyle   April 19, 2020 at 8:45 am

        Why bring SpINO Pelosi into this?

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    Lena   April 17, 2020 at 12:10 pm

    The virus is now the LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH in the US.

    “COVID-19, the illness caused by the novel coronavirus, is now the deadliest disease in the United States, killing more people per day than cancer or heart disease. According to a graph published Tuesday by Dr. Maria Danilychev, who practices in San Diego…”

    OK. We should NOT be returning to business as usual because we would just be infecting thousands of more people.

    ONE INFECTED PERSON was all it took to make thousands of others sick and kill about 80 people in Albany, Georgia when they weren’t taking this situation seriously enough.

    Why does anyone want thousands more infected and dead people, after which, the economy will be ruined again anyway?

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      Jon   April 17, 2020 at 12:41 pm

      This week sure. This year not even close.

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    TJ   April 17, 2020 at 11:04 am

    Forgive this idiot’s questions and rant-filled diatribe, but:

    Why is the pandhandle of Florida not being tested to the same degree that south Florida is? Our neighbors to the north in Georgia have a huge number of positives along the FL/GA border, we have a huge number of positives in LA, Alabama, the rest of Florida, yet the panhandle is not being tested? I have done a daily check on the FL dept of health Covid website for the last few weeks, everyday they tested, we had the state average of 10% positive returns on tests. Leon county alone was adding roughly 10 to 20 new cases every day. Then the testing stopped. The tests in Leon county stalled for about 4 days at roughly 1950 tests done. No new tests (or so minimal it didn’t move the counter), no new positives. Did they do this to keep the numbers artificially low? All of sudden, they began testing again. Testing numbers went over 2k, and what do you know, positives went up another 10% with it. The population of Leon county is close to 300k, yet the county has only performed 2k tests – that is less than 1% of the popluation. The local hospital even stated that they are showing more hospitalized and positive patients than are being reported by the department of health, to which the DoH said, we are looking into the discrepancies. . .
    Is Leon county hiding their numbers? Why are they not testing? There is no sickness in the capital, nothing to see here? Political Gain?
    Just a frustrated resident that wants to know the truth and what is going on…

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      Margaret mac   April 17, 2020 at 9:10 pm

      Just try to find tests!! We’re not getting many according to medical staff. Probably punishment for being a blue county??

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    TONY   April 17, 2020 at 7:12 am

    I just read an article this morning that a federal Leon County prison WORKER tested positive for coronavirus. I’m thinking, he caught it and brought it into the Prison. With that said, why doesn’t Prisons and Jails have someone standing at the Entrance checking the Temperatures of all those coming in? Same thing for all State, City & County Buildings. With all the Stay Home and Work From Home orders, there are very few people in those Buildings. Make all those Buildings “One Way In / One Way Out” so it can be controlled.

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      DeepStateProvocateur   April 17, 2020 at 7:28 am

      @Tony –

      One of the reasons that COVID spreads so much more rapidly than the standard flu is that you can be spreading it for days without showing any symptoms yourself. Sure, if you have a fever, you might have it. But not having a fever is no indication you are COVID free. Just staying home once you are sick doesn’t do anything about the time frame before you got sick where you can still spread the virus.

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        Jon   April 17, 2020 at 11:19 am

        Deep, that’s how the flu spreads too. We just dont track it obssessivly and millions of people vaccinate. 50 million people got the flu last year in the us.

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          John Provenzano   April 20, 2020 at 4:41 pm

          This is different. Everyone gets sick quickly not over the span of a year. Then the hospitals get overrun. Are you not seeing what is happening in New York and THE WHOLE WORLD!

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            Jon   April 21, 2020 at 12:02 pm

            Yeah, thats life. We have one million beds just in hospitals in the US. 99% of people are unaffected, have no worse than flu symptoms. Florida’s hospital capacity is only 38% full. Leon county has one hospitalization a week. Was it worth panicking?

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    Rich   April 17, 2020 at 6:10 am

    The cure is worse than the disease. Get us reopened asap. We can always close again if we turn into NY. It’s not about lives vs. health, its about lives vs. lives. Put on a mask and get to work. I feel like we are all “Marvin the Martian” waiting for the big boom. There has never been a big boom here. I’m starting to question the models that said 2.2 million people would die even with Social distancing. This was completely false and we are still using these models. I’m throwing a b’s flag on some of this. Let’s proceed with caution and get reopened now!!!

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      TONY   April 17, 2020 at 9:38 am

      The cure is worse than the disease? Seriously? You could DIE from the Disease or put up with a few weeks of being alone and filling bad………… I will take a few weeks of being alone and filling bad ANY day. You are not THAT important to risk any ones LIFE because YOU think you are special.

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        Calendar Much?   April 17, 2020 at 10:45 am

        We are well past “a few weeks” knucklehead.

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        Rich   April 17, 2020 at 2:14 pm

        IWake up Tony. t’s lives vs lives. Watch the drug and alcohol rates rise. Suicide rates rise. Crime rates rise as we keep everything closed. Staying away from work will cost lives also.

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          Nick   April 30, 2020 at 10:03 am

          This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard

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        jgo   April 20, 2020 at 8:06 pm

        Yes. The risk is very low. The likelihood of recovery is high.

        And then I can run (well, walk) out and do something far more risky: crossing Tennessee Street near the U to get to the library, confronting power-mad privacy violators, spraying chrysanthemum, geranium, &/or eucalyptus juice on the fierce mosquitoes the city breeds (capable of carrying dengue, yellow fever, malaria, or more commonly locally, encephalitis).

        Do a StartPage or DuckDuckGo search and weigh your risks. CDCP says:
        647,457 die from heart disease in a year
        599,108 from malignant neoplasms
        121,494 from Alzheimer’s complications
        83,564 from diabetes
        73,990 from illicit drugs
        55,672 from influenza & pneumonia
        50,633 from nephritis & related problems
        47,173 from suicide
        41,743 from liver dysfunction
        40,231 from vehicular accidents (down from over 50K back in 1950s, up from about 37K some years ago)
        35,823-80K from ethanol consumption
        35,316 from hypertension
        31,963 from Parkinson’s
        30,488 from prostate cancer
        15K murdered (aggregate all means)

        There are far too many Reds for it to be a blue county.

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          Charley   August 27, 2020 at 4:41 pm

          6 months in, covid beats everything on your list except heart disease and malignant neoplasms.

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    Lia   April 13, 2020 at 12:48 pm

    There is still not enough testing being done to be certain it is not going to go up! I live in the Villages where testing is nearly impossible to get! Many do not even know of opportunity to request testing at the county health department, if they qualify that is. I found out, made an appointment, was there earlier than my appointed time and there was no body there! ? The people here already have a false sense of security with low numbers and death toll, have gotten a very late start on mitigation efforts, so numbers are going to spike before they go down in this area.?

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      DeepStateProvocateur   April 13, 2020 at 6:29 pm

      @Lia –

      “I live in the Villages where testing is nearly impossible to get!”

      Clearly false. Trump has said repeatedly that there are plenty of tests. A tremendous number. Anyone who wants to be tested, can be tested.

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        TONY   April 17, 2020 at 7:16 am

        President Trump is NOT the one handing them out. You need to Call or Email your Elected Officials and ask them WHY your area is not getting the need Tests.

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          Adele   April 19, 2020 at 11:26 pm

          Go to your local Health Department.. but if you are not sick stay home!

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        Donna   April 25, 2020 at 3:34 pm

        Are you kidding you must not have kids and if you do I feel very sorry for them. This is not a joke ppl are dying it’s very sad actually of what is going on as a mother I wouldn’t allow my kids near a school or go back to work you need a reality check…

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        RN   April 28, 2020 at 7:40 pm

        Oh because Trump said it, it must be true. I am a nurse and I ASSURE YOU that until yesterday you could not get a test unless you had symptoms, even then you had to be referred by your doctor or in the hospital.

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          Mike   May 5, 2020 at 8:35 am

          This post is so true. Trump says we have lots of tests. Wrong. He has assured us we would be safe from the virus at least 34 times [Washington Post]. We have lost countless lives because of Trump’s stupidity. We need anyone besides someone with the brain power of a squirrel to run this country.

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            Robert E Powers   August 22, 2020 at 12:13 pm

            I like that the brain of a squirrel!I refer to him as the”PIG”< PLAN? WHAT PLAN!So tired of his INCOMPETENCE! HE HAS TO GO!!!

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          Tony   August 19, 2020 at 12:36 pm

          Why would you get a test if your not sick?you do not need one if your not sick thats like getting a test for strep but your throat feels fine.

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            Charley   August 27, 2020 at 4:48 pm

            to get clearance to go back to work after an exposure.

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    TONY   April 13, 2020 at 8:09 am

    I just heard that the Democrat has a Leon County Zip Code Chart now. 32304 has the highest COVID-19 Cases.

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    John   April 13, 2020 at 8:04 am

    Is it true the Corona Virus testing is more likely to be a false negative than a false positive?

    Also folks being tested are being tested because they are suspect of having the virus?So, if they test negative now they could still potentially get it later?

    Wonder how many folks might have virus but don’t realize it because they previously had test and the outcome was negative because the test was innacurate or given prior to them actually getting the virus?

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      Claire Z   April 30, 2020 at 9:58 am

      John, yes there are more false negatives than false positives. And, yes a person can test negative if he is so newly infected that the virus’s DNA doesn’t show up yet in the test, and yes it means that person can still get the virus at any time in the future.

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    James   April 13, 2020 at 7:09 am

    Time to go back to work, school and play. This is way overblown.

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      LB   April 13, 2020 at 10:09 am

      Seriously? You’re willing to gamble when the risk is life or death? Do us all a favor and make sure you are clearly marked so we can avoid you.

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        Donna Thompson   April 16, 2020 at 10:32 pm

        Happy to, so long as our family and our employees can earn a living, keep our business afloat, and pay our bills. I’ll wear a shiny gold star, like the Jews did in Nazi Germany.

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          Gene   April 22, 2020 at 3:59 pm

          every time I hear such simplistic arguments aided by emotionally inflammatory rhetoric, I feel that every American should be required to take a Logic course during K-12 so you’d know how weak and bogus your conclusions are. I know they seem logical to you because you do not know how to differentiate. But to me I always feel I’m at a bar at 2 AM listening to all the drunks solving the world’s problems or back in High School where the nerds were shunned and disregarded as the rest grew up to be the ones that shun elites and disregard science cause it makes them feel better about themselves and their cognitive abilities.

          Perhaps instead of the gold star you could wear your IQ score or level of schooling.

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            Greg   May 6, 2020 at 3:28 pm

            Does that logic course include liberals or only liberal logic? LiberalismIsAMentalDisorder

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            Rob   August 29, 2020 at 6:43 am

            Check out the “Dunning-kruger” effect. Basically the theory is that the less intellectually endowed one is, the less capable one is of knowing that they lack the intellect to judge their own intellectual capabilities.
            In other words, they are too dumb to know how dumb they are!!?

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            DGB   August 29, 2020 at 3:47 pm

            I did check out the “Dunning-Kruger” effect. I had never heard of it before. Their theory was first published twenty-one years ago, and it inspired a bunch of follow-on study. But as of 2020, their conclusions have all been shown to be totally fictitious. It was nothing more than bad math. It’s really strange that it took twenty years for competent mathematicians to reexamine the statistical biases that were propagated through two decades of work by many psychologists.

            No matter how much we might agree that something is true, we’ve got to believe the math. There’s a lesson here. (BTW. I intend no criticism of opinions here. But I can’t pass a chance to identify flaws in logic.)

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          KS   May 5, 2020 at 5:45 pm

          EXACTLY!!! ??

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        james   April 17, 2020 at 11:02 am

        Go hide in your closet. This is a fraud and will be proven so whether you want to believe it or not.

        Mortality rate will end up being the same as the swine flu one tenth of one percent.

        Grow up

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          RN   April 28, 2020 at 7:15 pm

          How do you account for 58,906 people dying in two months WITH most of the country shut down? That would be 352,000 deaths if nothing changes. So what would happen without this shutdown? When have they had to build overflow hospitals in the US? When has Italy just let people die because they do not have enough beds, nurses and doctors, vents…that did not happen with the swine flu. Running out of PPE? This did not happen with swine flu in 2009, not even close. No one was told to wear a bandana as a mask all day in my 30 years of nursing.

          I agree it does not have an average 3% mortality as now is apparent both because we have not overwhelmed health care so we have enough to take care of folks unlike Spain and Italy. Not sure what it will end up being but this is MUCH more serious that swine flu and certainly more serious than the regular flu.

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          Gregg   August 14, 2020 at 2:51 am

          This didn’t age well.

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            Linn   August 19, 2020 at 9:46 am

            Ditto that ^. The death count per day is currently trending upward. Per day. Terrible irony. Sad to see the early posts here.

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          Charley   August 27, 2020 at 4:44 pm

          still think it’s fraud?

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          James   August 28, 2020 at 7:45 pm

          4 months later and you’re right! ? this entire shamdemic is just that! Political Sham!

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        Jessica   April 25, 2020 at 11:19 am

        The risk is always life or death everyday. You can die walking across the street.

        Less than 2% of the global population has been infected with Covid19.

        Of the 2% over 80% have a mild case with favorable outcomes.
        Of the 2% only 20% have severe cases needing hospital care.
        The death rate is still being calculated but it is less than 10% of the global 2%.

        2019 Flu killed over 80,000 people the economy did not shut down.

        This is more political than a risk to the general population.

        At this point people who don’t known what to do to protect themselves are a perfect example of Darwin’s survival of the fittest.

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          Kathleen   April 26, 2020 at 11:37 am

          You data is not accurate. The flu deaths are globally and for 1 year. Compare that to Corona deaths of more than 200,000 in a 7-week period. This is a serious virus that doesn’t just kill old people.

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            BCush   April 30, 2020 at 12:37 pm

            Not correct. According to who, the global death rate for the flu is much higher than 80K. “The World Health Organization estimates that worldwide, annual influenza epidemics result in about 3-5 million cases of severe illness and about 250,000 to 500,000 deaths. [21] In the United States, individual cases of seasonal flu and flu-related deaths in adults are not reportable illnesses; consequently, mortality is estimated by using statistical models. [1]” Also, in 98% of the deaths from corona virus, the deceased had an underlying condition.

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          Stacey   May 9, 2020 at 7:56 am

          Spot on!!!! Jessica

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            Searfarer   May 10, 2020 at 9:46 am

            Agree. This wasn’t worth shutting down whole economy and ruining many businesses. Some will never come back.

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            Pam   August 13, 2020 at 8:23 pm

            Flu deaths are only estimated not tracked,manses on a model that is where the number comes from. Er dr, in Boston said he doesn’t remember anyone on his watch of 22 years dying from the flu as well as his team. So it is not a large number like you said. I m 65 never knew anyone who die from the flu.

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        Lynn   May 11, 2020 at 9:55 am

        Stay home and you won’t have to worry about catching Coronavirus. Let the people that want to work go about their business.

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          George Benitez   May 11, 2020 at 1:57 pm

          Lynn, you must have a nice amount of money to think this way! Some of us, have to work or we cannot survive! So, you stay home and cower!

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        Sp   August 21, 2020 at 11:15 am

        The great thing is your welcome to stay home, lock your kids in their room, and shut your business.

        Pleased don’t be surprised those of us looking at the data choose a different course.

        I believe your family will be much worse off medically from locking down – and may already be based on the fear.

        Godspeed and please make the best decision for your family and leave ours alone. Clearly you can put yourself in a situation where you never even get a cold virus. Most if us are willing to take that risk to live the life we choose to live.

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      News Maven   April 13, 2020 at 6:54 pm

      Correct.
      And it set a very dangerous precedent.
      23x more Opoid OD deaths in LA than deaths from the Kung Flu. Where is the media outrage over that?
      The Fake News & their sheeple destroyed in one month three years worth of economic progress. SAD!

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        Chris   April 16, 2020 at 7:43 pm

        They have a choice with the opioids but not the flu.

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        Donna Thompson   April 16, 2020 at 10:29 pm

        agreed

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          Donna Thompson   April 16, 2020 at 10:30 pm

          reopenamericanbusiness dot com

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        RN   April 28, 2020 at 7:35 pm

        People did not destroy three years of economic progress Covid19 did. Neither the fake news nor the sheeple made a decision to shut the US down, Governors and the President did. Do you think for half a second Trump would do that if he could safely stay open?

        I guess the “fake news” staged the photos of overrun healthcare systems. Maybe the nurses are lying about working 16 hour days back to back (um nope I am an RN and a friend went to NYC, they are working that much, they have had shortages of PPE, and the hospitals are bursting at the seams in couple of areas in the city). The “fake news” baits him with blame and confrontational decisions ans statements he has made, rather than asking legit questions. But this is very real, and very serious.

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          patrick tonkovich   May 7, 2020 at 5:34 pm

          I agree…when people say it’s political, think about it, yes it’s political suicide ..and wiping out all of our economic progress…but we will persevere and come out other side

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        Charley   August 27, 2020 at 4:38 pm

        Which LA do you mean?

        louisiana, Opioid overdose deaths in 2018: 1140
        louisiana, covid deaths so far in 2020: 4,851

        Los Angeles County, opioid overdose deaths in 2017: 488
        Los Angeles County, covid deaths so far in 2020: 5,663

        Are you talking about a different LA?

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      AJ   April 17, 2020 at 12:33 am

      Oh honey it is definitely not overblown. I would love to have our beaches and parks open more than anything however there are to many untrustworthy folks who think it is overblown to make it happen sooner than later. The ones who had to be made to stay home that wouldn’t, ruined it. It is what it is. I have lost 3 people who were working to help the rest if us. Them RIP the overblowers hope you find peace in rest. Get to know yourself again or for the 1st time. You may or may not like yourself! But please be smart and stay safe.

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    CHARLES WILLIAMS SR   April 12, 2020 at 10:11 pm

    Worth watching, but Florida is most likely just entering the uprise of the “Confirmed Cases” and “Deaths” curves over this weekend. According to the U of Washington predictive graphs Florida will be escalating over the next 2 weeks until peaking around April 23. Of course, all is subject to change, influenced by the Passover and Easter Weekend events, and any nonessential return to work over the rest of the month. My thoughts.

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    Curious   April 12, 2020 at 9:30 pm

    nice. A color-coded map of the cases by county would be good too!

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